Future nurse makes CSUF her No. 1 choice

[WTTCHMN]

Graduates from nursing program offered through college for profit are her co workers. Some will eventually acquire additional education from no brand colleges and could be in surgery along with surgeons. Those who went to Columbia, Upenn, UNC, UVA, Duke and Washington U will likely be making similar salaries. The same could be said about OD and MD. OD doctors are those who can't get into the top medical schools but eventually they make the same as MDs.

Damn, IHS, you're getting dyslexic in your old age.  I think you mean D.O.'s, not O.D.

O.D.'s are optometrists.  It would be like confusing Irvine Pacific with California Pacific... world of difference.

 

[Happiness]

Graduates from nursing program offered through college for profit are her co workers. Some will eventually acquire additional education from no brand colleges and could be in surgery along with surgeons. Those who went to Columbia, Upenn, UNC, UVA, Duke and Washington U will likely be making similar salaries. The same could be said about OD and MD. OD doctors are those who can't get into the top medical schools but eventually they make the same as MDs.

Damn, IHS, you're getting dyslexic in your old age.  I think you mean D.O.'s, not O.D.

O.D.'s are optometrists.  It would be like confusing Irvine Pacific with California Pacific... world of difference.

Optometrist is an excellent occupation. Make good money and refer difficult cases to others. Downside is there aren't that many optometry schools and they are hard to get into.

 

[Paris167]

Um maybe if it's a primary care doctor. Specialists catch up real quick and surpass a RN salary by a long shot. And I work 3 times a week. But I get to rest in my call room during my shifts while those nurses have to be on their feet 12 hours of their shift, doing all that dirty work cleaning up shit and having to deal with irritating patients and their family members. No thanks. Physician > nurse Any day which is why it's so difficult to get into medical school. These days you could buy a nursing degree for a $130k at west coast university - they let anyone in if you pay.

Oh, Paris, if that's how you feel about your patients and the nurses you work with, well it's no wonder they probably don't like you either.

And in case you didn't get the memo, a hospitalist is not a specialist.

Did I say I was a specialist WTTFCK? I made a factual statement that there are specialists that make much more than a nurse like plastics, derm, ortho, vascular, IR..,I could keep going.

It is also a factual statement that getting into a US medical school is much more difficult than getting into nursing school. Most Med schools (like mine) have 100 spots with 8-10 thousand applicants. 4 years medical school, minimum 3 years of residency, MCAT, USMLE step 1, 2, and 3. USMLE clinicals. Board certification and recertification every 10 years.
My sister got into private nursing school with one simple application and some undergrad prereqs. Anyone care to differ with that statement? I have no opinions about D.Os - I work alongside them and most are excellent clinicians.

My opinion of Doctor > nursing. That is my opinion because the work of a nurse is very taxing, tiring and requires a lot of hard work directly at the bedside. It means no disrespect to nurses. My choice is physician which is why I chose this for my career path. R2D chose nursing and is happy with her decision which is fine - that's why she chose that career path. I enjoy the autonomy of medical decision making. Yes I get to rest in my call room, no I don't have to clean shit or vomit but at the end of the day my medical decisions can mean life or death for a person and I have to live with the weight of that responsibility. I chose that responsibility and am proud and honored to have it.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

I think the point was bang for the buck with doctors having to shell out a whole lot more than nurses and therefore having to take longer to break even.

A lot depends on the individual doctor/nurse. I've worked with doctors who completely clean the patient up after a delivery and others that can't wait to get out of the room.

I've worked with some doctors who wouldn't appreciate any nurse no matter what and others who know the nurse is the one who sees the patient for an entire shift and can save their butt.

The wise doctor steps up and takes time to help the nurses understand the real pathophysiology behind a diagnosis and what labs and meds would be needed and what to look for in results/reactions. That doctor knows that educated nurses can alert the doctor post haste instead of waiting around for him/her to find out when he/she makes rounds. Then there are doctors who think they are better than the nurse/patient/family and keep their knowledge to themselves. That doesn't really help anyone but the doctor's own ego.

I've worked with doctors (and nurses for that matter) who are careful and on the ball who really know their stuff and others who I wonder how they ever got into med school, let alone got their degree and passed the boards.

A lot depends on what floor the nurse is working on. A specialty unit (L/D, OR, CCU, ICU, NICU) usually have better relationships/respect between doctors and nurses than a general floor where the doctor typically comes in, makes rounds and is gone before you know it.

I agree with Paris, it's WAY harder to get into med school. Just applying can be a financial drain for some as you really need to apply to ALOT of schools and you have to have a bachelor's first. An RN can be had with an associate's degree.

 

[Paris167]

I think the point was bang for the buck with doctors having to shell out a whole lot more than nurses and therefore having to take longer to break even.

A lot depends on the individual doctor/nurse. I've worked with doctors who completely clean the patient up after a delivery and others that can't wait to get out of the room.

I've worked with some doctors who wouldn't appreciate any nurse no matter what and others who know the nurse is the one who sees the patient for an entire shift and can save their butt.

The wise doctor steps up and takes time to help the nurses understand the real pathophysiology behind a diagnosis and what labs and meds would be needed and what to look for in results/reactions. That doctor knows that educated nurses can alert the doctor post haste instead of waiting around for him/her to find out when he/she makes rounds. Then there are doctors who think they are better than the nurse/patient/family and keep their knowledge to themselves. That doesn't really help anyone but the doctor's own ego.

I've worked with doctors (and nurses for that matter) who are careful and on the ball who really know their stuff and others who I wonder how they ever got into med school, let alone got their degree and passed the boards.

A lot depends on what floor the nurse is working on. A specialty unit (L/D, OR, CCU, ICU, NICU) usually have better relationships/respect between doctors and nurses than a general floor where the doctor typically comes in, makes rounds and is gone before you know it.

I agree with Paris, it's WAY harder to get into med school. Just applying can be a financial drain for some as you really need to apply to ALOT of schools and you have to have a bachelor's first. An RN can be had with an associate's degree.

R2D you speak as a very experienced RN and I couldn't agree more with what you are saying. Like in any field there are people very good at what they do and others that are either lazy, inexperienced etc. Esp in the field of medicine patient care is a holistic effort that requires collaboration, communication, constant education and teaching among one another. It is a field that is constantly innovating itself based on new research, ongoing changes in standards of care, new guidelines and protocols. I very much depend on my nurses and without them I could not do my job or deliver the kind of patient care I want to. They are an extension of the care I deliver along with the respiratory therapist to the case manager to the physical therapist to the radiology technician/ lab technician etc. It's a team effort but everyone chooses their role in healthcare delivery because of different reasons. At the end of day we all come together with one common goal, delivering good quality patient care.
Yes the point of the statement was bang for the buck and the very long training period we have to endure. But in my opinion I chose this field because I felt it was worth it for the autonomy in medical decision making and over the next 35 years of my career I feel the financial benefits I get as a physician along with the less taxing hands on work is very much worth it. I guess I'm a rarity but would definitely recommend medical school to my own children if they are interested in medical sciences and direct patient care. But I would encourage them to specialize because the most unhappy physicians I know are clinic based primary care given they are stretched thin,  overworked and find it difficult to maintain a satisfying work-life balance.