Experts admit global warming predictions wrong

[morekaos]

This is truly a losing issue to hang your hat on for 2020. Now before you quote a bunch of baloney stats that some high percentage of voters believe this is an issue or that the last four years were the hottest on record witness that this thread hasn?t been commented on in seven months and even after AOC ridiculous but well covered global warming craziness see what left wing hacks have to do to just get someone to read about the issue....

It's time to think big on climate change

Please don't stop reading. I know that climate change isn't the sexiest of topics. But it is the biggest, most important story of our time. Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will judge us by how well we meet the challenge, and so far we are failing. Miserably.

http://www.reflector.com/Op-Ed/2019/02/10/It-s-time-to-think-big-on-climate-change.html

In other words..I know you don?t care but I think you should...too funny, and not a winning issue to run on wether you believe or not.

 

[Liar Loan]

Hawaii recorded what may be the lowest elevation snow in state history

Snow falls in Hawaii a few times a year in winter on the state's highest peak, Mauna Kea rising 13,803 elevation in feet, but the white stuff is rarely seen at elevations below 9,000 feet to 10,000 feet.

On Sunday, Maui's 10,ooo-foot Haleakala received a thick dusting and snow also accumulated at 6,200 feet in Polipoli State Recreation Area.

Officials at the Department of Land and Natural Resources say this could mark the lowest-elevation snowfall ever recorded in the state.

"This storm was uncharted territory for us," says Melissa Dye, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Honolulu.

The National Weather Service is still tracking snowfall totals and hopes to release more information Monday.

"I spoke to a ranger at Haleakala and he couldn't confirm how much snow had fallen because it was blowing around so much," says Dye. "Same thing on Mauna Kea."
https://www.sfgate.com/weather/article/Hawaii-recorded-what-may-be-the-lowest-elevation-13607099.php

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Hawaii recorded what may be the lowest elevation snow in state history

Snow falls in Hawaii a few times a year in winter on the state's highest peak, Mauna Kea rising 13,803 elevation in feet, but the white stuff is rarely seen at elevations below 9,000 feet to 10,000 feet.

On Sunday, Maui's 10,ooo-foot Haleakala received a thick dusting and snow also accumulated at 6,200 feet in Polipoli State Recreation Area.

Officials at the Department of Land and Natural Resources say this could mark the lowest-elevation snowfall ever recorded in the state.

"This storm was uncharted territory for us," says Melissa Dye, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Honolulu.

The National Weather Service is still tracking snowfall totals and hopes to release more information Monday.

"I spoke to a ranger at Haleakala and he couldn't confirm how much snow had fallen because it was blowing around so much," says Dye. "Same thing on Mauna Kea."
https://www.sfgate.com/weather/article/Hawaii-recorded-what-may-be-the-lowest-elevation-13607099.php

Seriously...do you really enjoy being ignorant? 

Last year was the fourth-hottest year ever recorded, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA, which means that the past five years have been the five warmest years in the modern record.

NOAA and NASA discussed 2018's global temperature and climate in a joint news conference Wednesday; both agencies maintain independent data that goes back to 1880 to monitor temperatures around the globe. The announcement was delayed several weeks due to the government shutdown that resulted in many NOAA and NASA employees being furloughed.

If it seems like you've heard this before, you have: Eighteen of the hottest 19 years have occurred since 2001

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/world/2018-global-temp-hottest-year-noaa-nasa/index.html

Again..you know who doesn't doubt climate change?  Insurance Companies, military, and the most of the business community.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/08/23/499027.htm
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/18/pentagon-military-installations-climate-1098095
https://www.wsj.com/graphics/coastal-home-sales-affected-by-climate-change-worries/
http://fortune.com/2018/04/21/clima...ressing-the-price-of-flood-prone-real-estate/

 

[Irvinecommuter]

also weird that you don't mention stuff like this:

ANCHORAGE (KTUU) - After a record warm start to winter, Alaska?s rivers have mostly frozen over, but thin ice remains. According to the Nenana Ice Classic website, measurements taken January 16 and February 6 show just 16 inches of ice. The previous lowest amount during January and February is 21.5 inches on Jan. 7, 2004. The next measurement on Feb. 4, 2004 showed the ice had built to 30 inches.

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/W...ce-mean-an-early-tripod-topple-505693421.html

The Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica has developed a cavity roughly two-thirds the size of Manhattan and about 1,000 feet tall, according to a NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory study published Thursday. This empty space has the negative effect of speeding up the rate at which the glacier melts and, in turn, how quickly sea levels rise.

An investigation by the New York Times from 2017 looked at the Thwaites Glacier, which is roughly the size of Florida, and how much ice it's regularly shedding and feeding into the sea. The problem with this glacier is that it's shedding a lot and accounts for about 4 percent of total sea level increase around the world according to NASA.

The newly discovered cavity previously contained 14 billion tons of ice, which is now water, and it means that the Thwaites Glacier is melting faster than anyone thought. If the whole glacier melts, it would raise the sea level by more than two feet.

https://mashable.com/article/antarctica-glacer-cavity/

MCCLINTOCK: The news is a little sad. The population of 15,000 breeding pairs of Adelie penguins has reached a new low. It's down to 1,100 this year. So over 90 percent of them are disappearing. What's happening mainly that's causing the big problem is that they come in at a very predetermined time of year to lay their eggs. And then along comes these unseasonably late snowstorms because it's getting warmer and more humid. Ironically, it's snowing later. And then the snow melts, and the eggs drown. So the Adelie's having a really tough time right now.

GREENE: You arrive here, you know, each year. As you arrive this time and you look out at the landscape, does anything strike you as starkly different from the last time you were there?

MCCLINTOCK: If you look behind the station, Lamar Glacier (ph) is just retreating very, very quickly. In fact, I was talking to a couple of Palmer Station staff this morning that went on a little camping trip the other day and spent the night sleeping on the rim next to the glacier. And they said they couldn't sleep. The glacier cracked, and pieces fell into the water all through the night. Like, every 20 minutes to half an hour. They'd be woken or be jarred by a crack of ice. This is indicative of 87 percent of the glaciers along the Western Antarctic Peninsula that are now in rapid retreat. This is just sort of the canary in the coal mine here.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/685777431/a-view-from-the-palmer-research-station-in-antarctica

 

[Irvinecommuter]

It's also really weird that climate change deniers believe that there is some sort giant conspiracy by the scientific community to make up "climate change" as a way to justify their existence.  Whereas the corporations and their political supporters are countering the climate change narrative to save AMERICA!

I mean clearly scientists are evil and selfish while corporations and politicians are out of the goodness of the society and welfare of humanity.

 

[morekaos]

Oh no, evil corporations are forging ahead.  You do know we are now the largest producers of energy on earth?  And don't think that will shrink anytime soon.  We are gong to dominate fossil fuel production for the next several decades.

 

[Liar Loan]

Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...onditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change

 

[Liar Loan]

Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...onditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change

You still haven't addressed the situation in Hawaii, but you have made a point of attacking me personally.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...onditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change

You still haven't addressed the situation in Hawaii, but you have made a point of attacking me personally.

Yeah..you make what you want of it.  Ignorance is not a great look.

 

[morekaos]

Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

 

[Liar Loan]

Facts don't cease being true because they are inconvenient for you.  Show which part of my San Francisco Gate article concerning Hawaii's record snowfall was incorrect and I will concede you have me.

It's ignorance I complain of:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...onditions-dont-debunk-climate-change/70003753

You understand for example that the polar vortex event earlier this month happened because the warming of the arctic has lessened the strength of jet streams surrounding the Arctic right.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...arctic-ice-loss-global-warming-climate-change

You still haven't addressed the situation in Hawaii, but you have made a point of attacking me personally.

Yeah..you make what you want of it.  Ignorance is not a great look.

I haven't made any commentary so your attack on me is simply a reaction to your own ignorance, I assume.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

 

[Liar Loan]

Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

Attacking others will not bring them to your side.  It will cause them to dig in and be less receptive to what you have to say.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

Attacking others will not bring them to your side.  It will cause them to dig in and be less receptive to what you have to say.

And that's how we got anti-vaxxers and flat earthers.

 

[morekaos]

No, my kids are all vaccinated and I think the earth is spherical.

 

[morekaos]

Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

I won't, I live 40 feet from the water. I think I will be there forever. You, and others like you are welcome adapt any way you see fit. Sell your property, move inland, buy a Tesla, whatever makes you feel comfortable. Me, I'm staying put.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Even if I stipulate that warming is real (and I don't) but say I did,there is nothing short of going back to living in caves and ditching cars for horses that might (but probably won't) change things.  So, since radical change is not possible than I suggest true believers need to adapt to the coming crisis because it is inevitable and unstoppable.

How do you adapt to the crisis if you do not accept that a crisis is coming?

I won't, I live 40 feet from the water. I think I will be there forever. You, and others like you are welcome adapt any way you see fit. Sell your property, move inland, buy a Tesla, whatever makes you feel comfortable. Me, I'm staying put.

That's a great way to formulate social and governmental policies!

 

[morekaos]

My way is a reflection of how the public really prioritizes this issue. This is not an important issue to people in general so the formulation of public policy is glacial, and that?s just fine with me.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

My way is a reflection of how the public really prioritizes this issue. This is not an important issue to people in general so the formulation of public policy is glacial, and that?s just fine with me.

Again...seems like a poor way to create social/governmental policy.