The Motor Court Company
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let's just say Irvine kids can afford more expensive drugs like Heroin or Meth while Foothill Ranch kids can only afford marijuana.
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No, actually you're still projecting your own feelings and motives onto others again. I posted this because I was very surprised by what I was hearing and I think that all of us parents need to be aware so they know what to look out for. Parents used to fear their high schoolers sneaking a little bit of alcohol or cigarettes or God forbid, a joint. It's hard to imagine, for me at least, that high school kids are taking hardcore intravenous drugs which could kill them. I certainly do not remember hearing about anything this serious back when I was in high school. I wonder how many parents are aware of this, especially if they decline the private questioning or are just turning a blind eye / in denial / ill-informed, what have you. Like I told the doctor, I've never touched a drug in my life and am so naive when it comes to what they have available to them nowadays that I probably wouldn't even recognize it if I saw it in my own kid's room. I dug deep and asked her a lot of questions about the drug problem in the schools. I know you think FR is on a different planet or in a different state or something but in reality it's not very far from the area she practices in so it could affect my kids' environment, too. Sadly, it is a harsh reality. The more we know, the better equipped we can be to protect our kids from drugs.
A doctor is going to notice other signs of heroin use (track marks, bruises from injections are sure to show up). They do ask about home life including possible abuse by family members. You can refuse anything you want but know this......... it WILL be documented on the chart and you run the risk of a visit to your home by child protective services.
I know it's hard to accept. It was for me, too. It still is. I am still thinking about it and discussing it with my husband tonight. It is really hard to sink in. I absolutely hate that it even has to be a concern for parents of high schoolers especially since high school isn't that far off for my kid. Makes me sick to my stomach what these kids are doing to themselves. But I don't know how else I can explain it other than what I've said already.
Like I said, the office is located in Irvine. She specifically brought up Irvine high school students. I would imagine that's probably because the bulk of her regular patients are from Irvine. If the practice was located in SVUSD, perhaps the conversation would have gone differently. I'll be keeping an eye out.
Good point. Now I'm looking up "Heroin Effects". I noticed mouth dryness listed below. Not good. That's one of the things that leads to "Meth Mouth" and that can be easily picked up during an exam. Unfortunately, I've seen that a time or two when assisting chair-side.
I didn't know heroin can also be sniffed / snorted or even smoked.
It's 1 a.m. I really should go to bed but this heroin thing has my mind spinning. Good idea about the drug testing. I did a quick check online to see what could be bought in the stores in case someone wanted to do a random drug test.
CVS / $25.99 / 4 Drug Test: Marijuana, Cocaine, Opiates, Methamphetamines. FDA cleared. 99.9% Accuracy.http://www.cvs.com/shop/home-health...sts/first-check-home-4-drug-test-skuid-343464
Unfortunately, heroin is derived from morphine(??) so that may not even help there.
Target / $35.99 / 12 Drug Test (7 illicit & 5 Rx): Cocaine, Phencyclidine (PCP), Methamphetamine, Marijuana, Amphetamines, Tricyclic Antidepressants, Benzodiazepines, Oxycodone, Opiates, Methadone, Barbiturates, Ecstasyhttp://www.target.com/p/first-check-at-home-12-drug-testing-kit/-/A-10238349
I'm not a doctor but, again, I don't think heroin falls into any of those categories. If any doctor is reading this, please correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I am.
I think the definition of "Rampant" is subjective based on area. It maybe 500 out of 2000 in Compton but like 25 out of 2000 in Irvine where the kids come from affluent families with good virtues blah blah. It's like gun violence which is "rampant" in Santa Ana but God forbid 1 incident in a Irvine high school and that would be considered "rampant" violence in a high class community ;D
LOL SoCal I didn't even know they have at home drug test kits!
Wow these are impressive and tests for pretty much everything we test at the hospital. So there is no direct test for Heroine - it detects under opiates. But if that is positive and you suspect Heroin they have to do lab grade special confirmatory testing for the Heroin metabolite. When they do this then they can confirm that the opiate found is Heroine and quantify the levels for you. This obviously is beyond the home drug testing capabilities.
Did you do your research? Irvine is considered/ranked#7 as the highest city in America.
http://voiceofoc.org/2014/01/santa-ana-and-irvine-ranked-among-highest-cities-in-america/
socal78
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The California Court Company said:
No, actually you're still projecting your own feelings and motives onto others again. I posted this because I was very surprised by what I was hearing and I think that all of us parents need to be aware so they know what to look out for. Parents used to fear their high schoolers sneaking a little bit of alcohol or cigarettes or God forbid, a joint. It's hard to imagine, for me at least, that high school kids are taking hardcore intravenous drugs which could kill them. I certainly do not remember hearing about anything this serious back when I was in high school. I wonder how many parents are aware of this, especially if they decline the private questioning or are just turning a blind eye / in denial / ill-informed, what have you. Like I told the doctor, I've never touched a drug in my life and am so naive when it comes to what they have available to them nowadays that I probably wouldn't even recognize it if I saw it in my own kid's room. I dug deep and asked her a lot of questions about the drug problem in the schools. I know you think FR is on a different planet or in a different state or something but in reality it's not very far from the area she practices in so it could affect my kids' environment, too. Sadly, it is a harsh reality. The more we know, the better equipped we can be to protect our kids from drugs.
Ready2Downsize
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SoCal said:
A doctor is going to notice other signs of heroin use (track marks, bruises from injections are sure to show up). They do ask about home life including possible abuse by family members. You can refuse anything you want but know this......... it WILL be documented on the chart and you run the risk of a visit to your home by child protective services.
socal78
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bones said:
I know it's hard to accept. It was for me, too. It still is. I am still thinking about it and discussing it with my husband tonight. It is really hard to sink in. I absolutely hate that it even has to be a concern for parents of high schoolers especially since high school isn't that far off for my kid. Makes me sick to my stomach what these kids are doing to themselves. But I don't know how else I can explain it other than what I've said already.
socal78
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pisa said:
Like I said, the office is located in Irvine. She specifically brought up Irvine high school students. I would imagine that's probably because the bulk of her regular patients are from Irvine. If the practice was located in SVUSD, perhaps the conversation would have gone differently. I'll be keeping an eye out.
socal78
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Ready2Downsize said:
Good point. Now I'm looking up "Heroin Effects". I noticed mouth dryness listed below. Not good. That's one of the things that leads to "Meth Mouth" and that can be easily picked up during an exam. Unfortunately, I've seen that a time or two when assisting chair-side.
I didn't know heroin can also be sniffed / snorted or even smoked.
Paris167
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If a child is under age 18 can we have the doctor do a urine drug test on the child randomly once a year with the well check exam?
If not I will pay to get it done myself. I love my kids and they are still very young but I remember when I was in high school and to my parents I deceptively appeared to be the very sweet, perfect GPA student when in reality...(don't want to get into all those details
). It's an experimental stage but if my kid is ever involved in hard core drugs then I need to know about it early and nip it in the bud. That stuff is no joke and has detrimental long term effects. And now things must be exponentially worse than when I was in high school :-\
From my experience I got into the most trouble when alone at home after school, at sleep overs and when I had a car and was driving at age 16 - all things I will shelter from my children. I feel like these days parents need to be hypervigilant because you could have instilled all the right virtues in your child and it only takes that one "cool" very influential and peer pressuring "friend" to F*ck it all up
If not I will pay to get it done myself. I love my kids and they are still very young but I remember when I was in high school and to my parents I deceptively appeared to be the very sweet, perfect GPA student when in reality...(don't want to get into all those details
). It's an experimental stage but if my kid is ever involved in hard core drugs then I need to know about it early and nip it in the bud. That stuff is no joke and has detrimental long term effects. And now things must be exponentially worse than when I was in high school :-\ From my experience I got into the most trouble when alone at home after school, at sleep overs and when I had a car and was driving at age 16 - all things I will shelter from my children. I feel like these days parents need to be hypervigilant because you could have instilled all the right virtues in your child and it only takes that one "cool" very influential and peer pressuring "friend" to F*ck it all up
socal78
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Paris said:
It's 1 a.m. I really should go to bed but this heroin thing has my mind spinning. Good idea about the drug testing. I did a quick check online to see what could be bought in the stores in case someone wanted to do a random drug test.
CVS / $25.99 / 4 Drug Test: Marijuana, Cocaine, Opiates, Methamphetamines. FDA cleared. 99.9% Accuracy.http://www.cvs.com/shop/home-health...sts/first-check-home-4-drug-test-skuid-343464
Unfortunately, heroin is derived from morphine(??) so that may not even help there.
Target / $35.99 / 12 Drug Test (7 illicit & 5 Rx): Cocaine, Phencyclidine (PCP), Methamphetamine, Marijuana, Amphetamines, Tricyclic Antidepressants, Benzodiazepines, Oxycodone, Opiates, Methadone, Barbiturates, Ecstasyhttp://www.target.com/p/first-check-at-home-12-drug-testing-kit/-/A-10238349
I'm not a doctor but, again, I don't think heroin falls into any of those categories. If any doctor is reading this, please correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I am.
Paris167
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bones said:
I think the definition of "Rampant" is subjective based on area. It maybe 500 out of 2000 in Compton but like 25 out of 2000 in Irvine where the kids come from affluent families with good virtues blah blah. It's like gun violence which is "rampant" in Santa Ana but God forbid 1 incident in a Irvine high school and that would be considered "rampant" violence in a high class community ;D
Paris167
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SoCal said:
LOL SoCal I didn't even know they have at home drug test kits!
Wow these are impressive and tests for pretty much everything we test at the hospital. So there is no direct test for Heroine - it detects under opiates. But if that is positive and you suspect Heroin they have to do lab grade special confirmatory testing for the Heroin metabolite. When they do this then they can confirm that the opiate found is Heroine and quantify the levels for you. This obviously is beyond the home drug testing capabilities.
Paris said:
Did you do your research? Irvine is considered/ranked#7 as the highest city in America.
http://voiceofoc.org/2014/01/santa-ana-and-irvine-ranked-among-highest-cities-in-america/
irvinehomeowner
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Yeah... I would like to know what "rampant" means too.
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Kids are naturally curious and parents need to not overact. If you tell your kids that trying a drug will lead to becoming a toothless bag lady, they will know better since kids nowadays know how to use google. If everyone who smoked pot became a raving drug addict, the majority of people in the US would be raving drug addicts. If Irvine high schools had a rampant drug problem, it would be obvious and not some insight to be learned from a local pediatrician.