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the fact that the apt communities are together one on side of stonegate is probably a plus as compared to woodbury. In woodbury they are spread out and perhaps every part of woodbury has to deal with apartment dwellers. i would rather have all of the apartment dwellers have one side of the neighborhood and not be comingled with the rich homeowners on the other side.
Woodbury is nicer than Stonegate and there is not much debate there. It is the schools that gives Stonegate an advantage.
I don't know why West Irvine is considered ghetto because its area code is 714, in TUSD and with plain looking housing? The schools are really on par with Irvine (sans schools South of 405) and the surrounding area is pretty nice as well (parks/trails/openess/Market Place). To me it is good bang for the buck - you get all the Irvine has to offer, without the Irvine pricing, plus it is still inside the city boundary as well.
But unfortunately I think the perception will not change over time and will affect resale value. People are all about Northwood and Uni HS nowadays. Beckman with its high percentage of Latinos are not very attractive and remind too much of Santa Ana.
usctrojancpa
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Maybe that's the riff raff Test wants to be kept out. hahaharkp said:
I found some of the postings on this thread is a bit misleading. I did my research and found:
1. Affordable housing is everywhere in Irvine. http://www.cityofirvine.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=12855. Most of the neighbor have affordable housing, such as Woodbury, Woodbridge, Westpark, etc. For instance, The Arbor at Woodbury was developed by the same non-profitable organization as Doria. I have not heard the Woodbury property value is affected by that.
2. Affordable housing is for family with household income of 30% - 60% of city's median income. In Irvine, the median income is 85,000. so we are talking about family with household income of 25000 to 51000. They can be your kids elementary school teachers, librarian, firefighters, etc. all well-educated people with respectable career. check this link:http://www.hcd.ca.gov/hpd/mythsnfacts.pdf.
3. Nowhere says Doria is sponsored by MHSA funding, right? So i don't understand where this "project for serious mental illness" coming from. All the disclosure documents says it's affordable housing as required by the city. It is developed by Jamboree Co, the same one which developed the Arbor at Woodbury.
4. The apartment is just as nice as other "regular" apartment. If I didn't know I could never tell it's affordable housing. This is true for all the Jamboree developed apartments, as I read in another thread talking about the Arbor at Woodbury. So no concern about the outlook of community there.
I hope this can help clarifying some misleading information. I'm considering buying a home there so I need to do the research.
1. Affordable housing is everywhere in Irvine. http://www.cityofirvine.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=12855. Most of the neighbor have affordable housing, such as Woodbury, Woodbridge, Westpark, etc. For instance, The Arbor at Woodbury was developed by the same non-profitable organization as Doria. I have not heard the Woodbury property value is affected by that.
2. Affordable housing is for family with household income of 30% - 60% of city's median income. In Irvine, the median income is 85,000. so we are talking about family with household income of 25000 to 51000. They can be your kids elementary school teachers, librarian, firefighters, etc. all well-educated people with respectable career. check this link:http://www.hcd.ca.gov/hpd/mythsnfacts.pdf.
3. Nowhere says Doria is sponsored by MHSA funding, right? So i don't understand where this "project for serious mental illness" coming from. All the disclosure documents says it's affordable housing as required by the city. It is developed by Jamboree Co, the same one which developed the Arbor at Woodbury.
4. The apartment is just as nice as other "regular" apartment. If I didn't know I could never tell it's affordable housing. This is true for all the Jamboree developed apartments, as I read in another thread talking about the Arbor at Woodbury. So no concern about the outlook of community there.
I hope this can help clarifying some misleading information. I'm considering buying a home there so I need to do the research.
yellowplum
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Thanks for sharing, newbuyer! My husband and I are doing our research too and here's what we found:
Yes, affordable housing is everywhere in Irvine but Doria, based on our research, is the only ?one (Please correct if this is incorrect) that has 10 units funded by the MHSA (Mental Health Services Act).
http://cams.ocgov.com/Web_Publisher/Agenda06_07_2011_files/images/A11-000734.HTM
http://www.ochealthinfo.com/docs/be...ring_Committee_/Steering_Committee_8.1.11.pdf
We tried to find out the criteria for living in those 10 units but couldn't come up with a lot of information via the official MHSA website:
http://www.dmh.ca.gov/prop_63/mhsa/default.asp
While we are completely open to the idea of helping individuals with their road to recovery, it'd be helpful to learn more about the impact of these MHSA projects on the resale value of homes within that same village - any thoughts would be appreciated!
Yes, affordable housing is everywhere in Irvine but Doria, based on our research, is the only ?one (Please correct if this is incorrect) that has 10 units funded by the MHSA (Mental Health Services Act).
http://cams.ocgov.com/Web_Publisher/Agenda06_07_2011_files/images/A11-000734.HTM
http://www.ochealthinfo.com/docs/be...ring_Committee_/Steering_Committee_8.1.11.pdf
We tried to find out the criteria for living in those 10 units but couldn't come up with a lot of information via the official MHSA website:
http://www.dmh.ca.gov/prop_63/mhsa/default.asp
While we are completely open to the idea of helping individuals with their road to recovery, it'd be helpful to learn more about the impact of these MHSA projects on the resale value of homes within that same village - any thoughts would be appreciated!
Thank you, yellowplum. Ok, there are 10 units (funded by MHSA funding) in Doria apt are reserved for families receive mental health service, as I read in this article:http://www.jamboreehousing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=16&Itemid=28&properties=detail&property_id=68. But that can mean a lot of different things, right? We just don't know exactly what it is. Here are my thoughts:
1. Those ten families will live in the same apartment complex with other "normal" families. So I'd think the selection criteria will be very strict and applicants will be carefully screened. There should be no safety or living environment concerns.
2. There is Stonegate elementary school nearby. I'd think any negative impact if any (by these 10 units) to the community would be mitigated.
3. As far as impact to the property value at Stonegate, I think it is still too early to tell. But I think with good reputation of property management from Jamboree Co and Irvine company, I'm sure it'll be very well managed just like any other affoardable housing in Irvine. Stonegate just started and far from fully built out. I think after it is fully built out it'll be just as nice as Woodbury. Woodbury has been there for 6 or 7 years?
Just my two cents.
1. Those ten families will live in the same apartment complex with other "normal" families. So I'd think the selection criteria will be very strict and applicants will be carefully screened. There should be no safety or living environment concerns.
2. There is Stonegate elementary school nearby. I'd think any negative impact if any (by these 10 units) to the community would be mitigated.
3. As far as impact to the property value at Stonegate, I think it is still too early to tell. But I think with good reputation of property management from Jamboree Co and Irvine company, I'm sure it'll be very well managed just like any other affoardable housing in Irvine. Stonegate just started and far from fully built out. I think after it is fully built out it'll be just as nice as Woodbury. Woodbury has been there for 6 or 7 years?
Just my two cents.
Another thought. Like someone else said in this thread, in any neighborhood there can be families with "problems". You can't totally avoid it. I live in a nice neighborhood in Irvine. There was a guy killed himself (guess depression?) in the house only serveral houses away from ours. Did we know that at the time it happened? No. Did it impact us in any way? No. Did this affect the property value in general? No. So I would not be too concerned about those 10 units out of 134 units at Doria. I'm still buying at Stonegate
Regardless of what goes in, I dont see Stonegate as being "nicer" than Woodbury. Just look at the overall site map. You have the Palmeras and Mirasol apartment complexes, plus the addition of Doria. That will be 3 apartment complexes in the small area. For the homes, you have santa clara townhomes, and san mateo, both at entry price points. San Marcos and Maricopa are pricer versions, but Maricopa is the most expensive current community with the largest plan topping out at sub $950K. If you look at the village map, it does look like there are lots designated for future SFR is the Northern Central/ Eastern part of the community but who knows what that will look like. Some may be turned off by Stonegate elementary if its populated by the "apartment dwellers" as in the case in my friends community in Laguna Niguel.
Nicer than Woodbury? It may not be right, but often times the surrounding area affects the attractiveness of it. In Woodbury, you have Sonoma, Carmel, Carmel II, Las Colinas, Mille Fleurs, Rosemoor, etc... These are seemingly "nicer" anchor communities in my opinion. There are apartment complexes, but they are more spread out.
But I guess it's all perception... I live in the cheapest/ghetto part of "new Irvine", that being West Irvine. Houses seem to be on average about 10-12% cheaper here. Howver, there are no apartments really in the area and the schools are great (Myford/Pioneer/Beckman). I think people don't like it because the houses are pretty plain and you dont see the tuscan stone-faced homes that people seem to gravitate to.
Nicer than Woodbury? It may not be right, but often times the surrounding area affects the attractiveness of it. In Woodbury, you have Sonoma, Carmel, Carmel II, Las Colinas, Mille Fleurs, Rosemoor, etc... These are seemingly "nicer" anchor communities in my opinion. There are apartment complexes, but they are more spread out.
But I guess it's all perception... I live in the cheapest/ghetto part of "new Irvine", that being West Irvine. Houses seem to be on average about 10-12% cheaper here. Howver, there are no apartments really in the area and the schools are great (Myford/Pioneer/Beckman). I think people don't like it because the houses are pretty plain and you dont see the tuscan stone-faced homes that people seem to gravitate to.
qwerty
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akim997 said:
the fact that the apt communities are together one on side of stonegate is probably a plus as compared to woodbury. In woodbury they are spread out and perhaps every part of woodbury has to deal with apartment dwellers. i would rather have all of the apartment dwellers have one side of the neighborhood and not be comingled with the rich homeowners on the other side.
I agree with Irivne Home Owner. There are other more important issues that affect the value of the housing in that area.
Anyone else has issues with noisy contruction trucks traveling on Sand Canyon and Irvine Blvd after midnight?
City's Noise Ordinance Id. Section 6-8-205A.
Commercial Deliveries/Pickups
Commercial deliveries or pickups for commercial properties that share a property line with any residential property are required to limit the hours of delivery/pickup service to 7:00 AM through 10:00 PM daily, as outlined in the City?s Noise Ordinance.3
Anyone else has issues with noisy contruction trucks traveling on Sand Canyon and Irvine Blvd after midnight?
City's Noise Ordinance Id. Section 6-8-205A.
Commercial Deliveries/Pickups
Commercial deliveries or pickups for commercial properties that share a property line with any residential property are required to limit the hours of delivery/pickup service to 7:00 AM through 10:00 PM daily, as outlined in the City?s Noise Ordinance.3
The Motor Court Company
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akim997 said:
Woodbury is nicer than Stonegate and there is not much debate there. It is the schools that gives Stonegate an advantage.
I don't know why West Irvine is considered ghetto because its area code is 714, in TUSD and with plain looking housing? The schools are really on par with Irvine (sans schools South of 405) and the surrounding area is pretty nice as well (parks/trails/openess/Market Place). To me it is good bang for the buck - you get all the Irvine has to offer, without the Irvine pricing, plus it is still inside the city boundary as well.
But unfortunately I think the perception will not change over time and will affect resale value. People are all about Northwood and Uni HS nowadays. Beckman with its high percentage of Latinos are not very attractive and remind too much of Santa Ana.