Dr. CA Real Estate
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aquabliss said:
Even though they?re tightwads Shea does design good homes. What?s wrong with the area? No good views like other parts of Lakeforrest?
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Even though they?re tightwads Shea does design good homes. What?s wrong with the area? No good views like other parts of Lakeforrest?
On the way into the community there is an exposed power station on the corner of Peachwood and Trabuco, kind of an eyesore.
Then when you?re going up the hill, you pass a lot of older homes and condos / apartments. I think I saw one house that had a visible big blue tarp covering some stucco damage.
It?s a much nicer feeling when you enter Baker Ranch vs. this community. After you pass the jail of course.
Hi everyone, this is my first post on Talk Irvine. I've been looking around on this forum on and off for about the last 3.5 yrs.
Martin, can I ask what are some of the public builders? So Cal Pac and Irvine Pacific are privately owned. What about Lennar, Brookfield, TRI Pointe, Shea, Pulte, KB, Richmond American, Taylor Morrison, Toll Brothers, etc?
Kris, where are you getting the 5% broker co-ops? My wife and I have been looking at houses in Juniper (Richmond American), some Lennar communities, and a bunch of Cal Pac communities, and they all offer 3-4% or a flat amount that's close to 3%.
Welcome back to the forum. Lennar, Brookfield, TriPointe, Pulte, KB, Taylor Morrison, and Toll Brothers are publicly traded builders while Shea and Richmond American are privately owned.
Most builders are offering 3-4% or a fixed amount around 3% broker co-ops based upon the average sales price. There have been times where a few builders (namely Lennar) offer a slightly higher 4-5% broker co-ops on quicker move-in homes that they want to close before the end of their fiscal quarters.
Whether you are YF/BTB person or not, we're glad to have you here. Some people have accused me of being YF/BTB for quite some time and I think some still think I am. I believe he is way more intellectual than myself so it's been kind of fun people accusing me like that. I also wish he would be back since he shared real good stuff here. Anyways, thanks for your inputs so far. Really helpful stuff.
Yeah, new home sales have definitely picked up in the past few months so builders are more reluctant to offer up any material incentives, especially Irvine Pacific which loathes giving away incentives even for standing inventory homes.
Sales are brisk for homes priced right. There's a supply issue here - no one is selling. At the Reserve, they're selling view lots at a huge premium, but people are buying. The best time to buy was last Fall. We looked at a home at Terra for $1.29m and they were offering $50k in design center credits to close the deal. Current phase - not standing inventory. The same floor plan in a less desirable lot location is now $1.6m today.
Lennar has also cut back on their incentives too as they've been selling more homes in the past few months. There is definitely more velocity of transactions in the $1m to $1.5m market in the past 1-2 months. That being said, buyers in that price range are still picky (as they should be) and have homes to pick from than the sub $1m buyers.
Hard to say what how the market will be in the next 6-12 months as it'll depend on a lot of variables like inventory levels, interest rates, virus vaccine/treatment status, job situation, will states be fully open, etc. The pick up in the real estate market after the big pause button surprised me a bit (I'm dealing with any multiple offers on both sides). One big variable will be inventory levels because there are a lot of sellers that pulled their listings off the market when the stay-at home order got issues and most of those sellers have not relisted their homes yet.
Even though they?re tightwads Shea does design good homes. What?s wrong with the area? No good views like other parts of Lakeforrest?
aquabliss
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Dr. CA Real Estate said:
On the way into the community there is an exposed power station on the corner of Peachwood and Trabuco, kind of an eyesore.
Then when you?re going up the hill, you pass a lot of older homes and condos / apartments. I think I saw one house that had a visible big blue tarp covering some stucco damage.
It?s a much nicer feeling when you enter Baker Ranch vs. this community. After you pass the jail of course.
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CogNeuroSci
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USCTrojanCPA said:
Hi everyone, this is my first post on Talk Irvine. I've been looking around on this forum on and off for about the last 3.5 yrs.
Martin, can I ask what are some of the public builders? So Cal Pac and Irvine Pacific are privately owned. What about Lennar, Brookfield, TRI Pointe, Shea, Pulte, KB, Richmond American, Taylor Morrison, Toll Brothers, etc?
CogNeuroSci
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Dr. CA Real Estate said:
Kris, where are you getting the 5% broker co-ops? My wife and I have been looking at houses in Juniper (Richmond American), some Lennar communities, and a bunch of Cal Pac communities, and they all offer 3-4% or a flat amount that's close to 3%.
usctrojancpa
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CogNeuroSci said:
Welcome back to the forum. Lennar, Brookfield, TriPointe, Pulte, KB, Taylor Morrison, and Toll Brothers are publicly traded builders while Shea and Richmond American are privately owned.
usctrojancpa
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CogNeuroSci said:
Most builders are offering 3-4% or a fixed amount around 3% broker co-ops based upon the average sales price. There have been times where a few builders (namely Lennar) offer a slightly higher 4-5% broker co-ops on quicker move-in homes that they want to close before the end of their fiscal quarters.
CogNeuroSci
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I'm pretty sure Martin didn't mean it that way. And yes, I understand you think I'm that BTB person. But like I said elsewhere, I am not him or that YF person.
My name indicates I have a background in brain and behavior. The brain is designed to see pictures, so accordingly, I have an interest in design. I think as time goes on, forum members will be able to discern a pattern in my posts: a psychological perspective embedded in statements/opinions about design.
That's what I can offer the members on this forum (in appreciation for all the things I've learned from you guys here). The focus on human factors is something I haven't seen yet on this forum, and so I doubt YF or BTB offered this kind of perspective (although I'm not trying to demean them).
My name indicates I have a background in brain and behavior. The brain is designed to see pictures, so accordingly, I have an interest in design. I think as time goes on, forum members will be able to discern a pattern in my posts: a psychological perspective embedded in statements/opinions about design.
That's what I can offer the members on this forum (in appreciation for all the things I've learned from you guys here). The focus on human factors is something I haven't seen yet on this forum, and so I doubt YF or BTB offered this kind of perspective (although I'm not trying to demean them).
CogNeuroSci said:
Whether you are YF/BTB person or not, we're glad to have you here. Some people have accused me of being YF/BTB for quite some time and I think some still think I am. I believe he is way more intellectual than myself so it's been kind of fun people accusing me like that. I also wish he would be back since he shared real good stuff here. Anyways, thanks for your inputs so far. Really helpful stuff.
potsticker
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Stopped by the Reserve today in OH. Chatted with sales folks at Terra, Ravello, Como, and Vivo. Terra and Ravello said no concessions at all on their standing inventory. Como and Vivo said maybe a small amount towards closing or design center. Evidently sales at the Reserve did not slow down.
usctrojancpa
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best_potsticker_in_town said:
Yeah, new home sales have definitely picked up in the past few months so builders are more reluctant to offer up any material incentives, especially Irvine Pacific which loathes giving away incentives even for standing inventory homes.
potsticker
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OCLuvr said:
Sales are brisk for homes priced right. There's a supply issue here - no one is selling. At the Reserve, they're selling view lots at a huge premium, but people are buying. The best time to buy was last Fall. We looked at a home at Terra for $1.29m and they were offering $50k in design center credits to close the deal. Current phase - not standing inventory. The same floor plan in a less desirable lot location is now $1.6m today.
OCLuvr
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I guess builders?especially, Irvine company?can keep the standing inventory and still sell future phases at a premium, but not everyone. E.g. people are ready to sell at 2016 pricing in Great Park but no buyers yet.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/102-Mongoose-92618/home/102905210?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link
I also see correction in Stonegate?e.g. following houses for going for 1.25M+ in 2018.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/62-Crestwick-92620/home/58556492?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/102-Mongoose-92618/home/102905210?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link
I also see correction in Stonegate?e.g. following houses for going for 1.25M+ in 2018.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/62-Crestwick-92620/home/58556492?utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy_link&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link
usctrojancpa
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OCLuvr said:
Lennar has also cut back on their incentives too as they've been selling more homes in the past few months. There is definitely more velocity of transactions in the $1m to $1.5m market in the past 1-2 months. That being said, buyers in that price range are still picky (as they should be) and have homes to pick from than the sub $1m buyers.
OCLuvr
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Thanks USCTrojan. How do you see core logic prediction playing out for Orange County?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...these-markets-will-be-hit-hardest-51594082678
usctrojancpa
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OCLuvr said:
Hard to say what how the market will be in the next 6-12 months as it'll depend on a lot of variables like inventory levels, interest rates, virus vaccine/treatment status, job situation, will states be fully open, etc. The pick up in the real estate market after the big pause button surprised me a bit (I'm dealing with any multiple offers on both sides). One big variable will be inventory levels because there are a lot of sellers that pulled their listings off the market when the stay-at home order got issues and most of those sellers have not relisted their homes yet.