Differences between Chinese food

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irvinehomeowner

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Being Austrian... I don't have any idea, but maybe this is something that momopi can answer.

What is the difference between:

1. Chinese

2. Taiwanese

3. Hong Kong

The first I am kind of familiar with (well... Americanized Chinese food)... and the 2nd seems like it's rice dishes, popcorn chicken and shaved ice (at least that's what I see at all those Taiwanese cafes)... but what is different about the 3rd? Is Hong Kong the Beef Noodle soup one (or is that Taiwanese?).

I feel like SoCal.
 
Chinese food has different regional flavors.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cuisine

HK style is Yue (Guangdong)

Taiwan is like a cross between Min (Fujian) and Zhe (Zhejiang) plus some local specialties. Liang's Kitchen in the Jefferey Ranch 99 plaza is a different variety of Taiwanese cuisine

And of course you have Americanized Chinese food found in Panda Express, Chopsticks..

irvinehomeowner said:
Being Austrian... I don't have any idea, but maybe this is something that momopi can answer.

What is the difference between:

1. Chinese

2. Taiwanese

3. Hong Kong

The first I am kind of familiar with (well... Americanized Chinese food)... and the 2nd seems like it's rice dishes, popcorn chicken and shaved ice (at least that's what I see at all those Taiwanese cafes)... but what is different about the 3rd? Is Hong Kong the Beef Noodle soup one (or is that Taiwanese?).

I feel like SoCal.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
I feel like SoCal.

What are ya, a blue-eyed Asian just like me?

Darn you, Iho. I was really determined not to post on the site anymore. Zovall, just ban me for my own good.  :'(

Btw, don't forget "Hot Pot". I've never seen it / tried it but for the rest of us - apparently that's like their version of fondue bourguignonne.
 
1. Chinese (traditional, strongest flavor, can range from super spicy to garlicky depending on region)

2. Taiwanese (alot of fried foods, greasy, and tend to have more Japanese influence (bonito flavor), i say it's the chinese comfort food)

3. Hong Kong (english influenced, and tend to have the most bland flavors compared to other chinese, but best seafood dishes)

Beef noodle soup vary also depending on region.. The ones we have around Irvine are more Taiwanese
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Being Austrian... I don't have any idea, but maybe this is something that momopi can answer.

What is the difference between:

1. Chinese

2. Taiwanese

3. Hong Kong

The first I am kind of familiar with (well... Americanized Chinese food)... and the 2nd seems like it's rice dishes, popcorn chicken and shaved ice (at least that's what I see at all those Taiwanese cafes)... but what is different about the 3rd? Is Hong Kong the Beef Noodle soup one (or is that Taiwanese?).

I feel like SoCal.

Chinese is pretty much all encompassing...Chinese cuisine is actually divided into eight different types of cuisine but the the four most popular are Mandarin, Cantonese, Szechuan, and Shanghai.  Those types are regional in nature(kinda of like Southern food v. California v. Midwest). 

Mandarin is cuisine from Northern China and generally more balanced and refined.  Noodles and wraps are used a lot (as opposed to rice).  Dishes are usually very light and delicate and do not rely on heavy sauces.  Beef and lamb are the primary meats as well as exotics like duck and quail.  Mandarin Cuisine is what you would usually get if you go to a high end Chinese restaurant in Asia. 

Cantonese comes from the province of Guangdong (or Canton), which is in the south of China and a tradition trade hub.  Hong Kong food is pretty much Cantonese in origin.  Cantonese food focus on speed and rice-focused.  A lot of seafood and a wide variety of meats.  Cantonese food is what most Westerners consider to be "Chinese food".

Shanghai cuisine is a mix between Mandarin and Cantonese as Shanghai is located between Beijing and Canton.  Shanghai is also a port city and thus have easy access to fish/seafood.  Shanghai cuisine uses both noodles and rice and is generally sweeter than the other Chinese cuisines.  It also features alcohol as a major ingredient.

Szechuan cuisine is from the Szechuan province which is located in the inner parts of China.  It uses spices and chili as primary flavoring.  There is relatively little meat and almost no seafood in the cuisine (due to the landlock nature of Szechuan).  Most of the dishes are spicy and/or peppery in flavor.

Taiwanese food is sort of an amalgamation of all the cuisine above.  Taiwan cuisine developed when the KMT retreated to Taiwan, which resulted in the all of the cultures/regions of Chinese being squeezed into a small island.  It has features of all of the cuisines and features dishes with rices and noodles.  The food is more "tapa-esque" as opposed to family style where the dishes are complete meal within itself.  Meats and seafood are used but not usually the primary ingredients.  Most Taiwanese food develop from a lunch cart/night market culture and meant to be eaten quickly.  Most of Taiwanese food are meant to be snacked on rather than a sit down meal. 

There is also Hong Kong style cafe food which combines Chinese food with Western (English) cuisine.  HK style cafes serve milk teas and coffee and serve both traditional Chinese food as well as things like sandwiches and pork chops. 

 
Hmm... so is JJ Bakery Cafe Hong Kong or Taiwanese? Based on the above answers... seems like Hong Kong (they didn't have shaved ice on their menu).

And then places like Lollicup... is that similar to Taiwanese (because they serve tapas-like food)?

This is fun... maybe SoCal will learn something too. :)
 
=8-@

That's a lot to figure out. One day I want to go to an authentic place (=/= Panda Express) and find a real Asian friend to go with me and do all of the ordering for me so I don't get anything scary with legs, fur or eyeballs on it - or somebody brave enough to take them off for me so I don't stroke out.

Are the menus usually in English??
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Hmm... so is JJ Bakery Cafe Hong Kong or Taiwanese? Based on the above answers... seems like Hong Kong (they didn't have shaved ice on their menu).

And then places like Lollicup... is that similar to Taiwanese (because they serve tapas-like food)?

This is fun... maybe SoCal will learn something too. :)

JJ Bakery is both.  The more substantive stuff is Hong Kong while they also serve Taiwanese food.  Lollicup is a Taiwanese chain...Boba drinks were "invented" in HK but greatly expanded and perfected in Taiwan.  The menu in Lollicup is representative of Taiwanese night market food. 

In that Jeffrey/Ranch 99 mall, 101 Noodle/Chef Chen are Mandarin.  Liang's Kitchen, Chef's Kitchen, The Porridge place (don't remember the name) are all Taiwanese, S&W is Cantonese, that corner restaurant next to S&W is Szchuan.

 

 
In short, Chinese food can be categorized by region, province, and ethnic.  Regional divisions can be as broad as North-South China, or as small a city.  Provincial divisions:  ?Szechuan, Guangzhou?, ethnic divisions: ?Hakka, Teochow, Chinese-Islamic?.  Oversea Chinese also have their unique local/fusion cuisine, such as Singapore-Chinese & Malaysian-Chinese.

Taiwanese cuisine can be categorized by ethnic group and local cities.  When Mainlanders move to TW after the Chinese Civil War, they brought many regional dishes from China to TW.  Over the years these dishes changed with local ingredients and tastes.  TW was colonized by Japan for 50 years, so at one time Japanese ethnic cuisine was on the list, but that generation has passed on.  Many of TW?s famous night market or local dishes are categorized by their city of origin, such as ?Changhua meat balls?.

There are many different divisions and variations in Chinese food.  Some traditions are ancient, while others are recent.  For example, Sichuan was at one time the Kingdom of Shu (??) from 1046 BC.  Through history, up to the 17th century, the feudal lord of the area was still referred to as the Prince of Shu.  However, the area was conquered by a warlord in the last days of Ming, who then slaughter most of is inhabitants -- this event is referred to by some as the final destruction of Shu.  After Qing Dynasty was established, the government had to mobilize a massive re-population project.  From that point onward the people that lived there were mostly immigrants from other provinces.  When the imperial court demanded the local governor to submit regional dishes (recipes) to Beijing, there was no longer a tradition of Shu cuisine due to the destruction of its people in 1645-1646.  So they had to basically make new dishes (or remake old ones) and submit them.  The famous Sichuan beef noodle, for example, is an immigrant dish from other provinces, but made with local spices.

REF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Xianzhong
 
SoCal said:
=8-@

That's a lot to figure out. One day I want to go to an authentic place (=/= Panda Express) and find a real Asian friend to go with me and do all of the ordering for me so I don't get anything scary with legs, fur or eyeballs on it - or somebody brave enough to take them off for me so I don't stroke out.

Are the menus usually in English??

Honestly...I haven't really seen an "authentic" place in Orange County.  Chinese Food is severely lacking in OC.  Capital Seafood is decent but seriously expensive.  Just move away from the Panda Express dishes (orange chicken, sweet and sour pork etc.)  Most of the Chinese restaurants are unavoidably tainted by American-Chinese food. 

This scene is a fantastic montage of what real Chinese cuisine is like

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs5WiddD7i0[/youtube]
 
Guppy house is sort of nouveau Taiwanese...Pineapple fried rice and thick toast is more new style Taiwanese (Boba culture).  They do have some traditional Taiwanese stuff.  Lollicup and 85 deg are both noveau Taiwanese (mix of west and Taiwan food).

Capitol Seafood is a mix of Mandarin and Cantonese.  They serve Peiking Duck as well as a lot of Cantonese dishes.

The beef noodle place is from Taiwan (but you should never eat there...never)
 
Am I the only one who has never been to Diamond Jamboree? I've seen boba but never had one. Am I the only one on that, too? I don't know what "boba culture" refers to. To be honest, I don't know what 85 degree is - only what I've read through this site. This is also where I first heard of hot pot (fondue, I know.)
 
SoCal said:
Am I the only one who has never been to Diamond Jamboree? I've seen boba but never had one. Am I the only one on that, too? I don't know what "boba culture" refers to. To be honest, I don't know what 85 degree is - only what I've read through this site. This is also where I first heard of hot pot (fondue, I know.)

Seriously...you live in SoCal/OC and never had boba  :-\ 

Boba Drinks are great...it's basically a mix between a slushy and a milkshake.  The boba gives it texture. 

Boba culture is basically coffee culture but Taiwanified.  Boba drinks with Taiwanese/European style bread along with one plate meals (pork chop rice) and shaved ice. 

85 degrees is basically the Starbucks of Taiwan but freshly baked bread European style with a myraid of ingredient inside.

 
That too - I don't know what shaved ice is. I know what snow cones are, of course. I think they are the same???

Yes, true. I'm an OC native and I've never had boba. I thought boba meant the big balls on the bottom of the cup. I have no idea how a person drinks those.

Oh, I thought 85 degrees is a bakery. I didn't know it's a coffee house. Good to know.
 
SoCal said:
That too - I don't know what shaved ice is. I know what snow cones are, of course. I think they are the same???

Yes, true. I'm an OC native and I've never had boba. I thought boba meant the big balls on the bottom of the cup. I have no idea how a person drinks those.

Oh, I thought 85 degrees is a bakery. I didn't know it's a coffee house. Good to know.

It's like a snow cone but like 10X better.  Snow cone has just syrup...but shaved ice has a bunch of other ingredients like sweetened red beans, fresh fruit, etc.  It has a much more interesting flavor contrast than snow cone and not as sweet.  It usually has condensed milk in it so it's a little more substantive.

Boba are basically tapoica balls...chewy and slightly sweet.  You get a wide straw and chew the boba (don't drink it...you'll choke).

85 degree is a bakery and a coffee shop combined.  It's pretty good stuff but super crowded and not well designed.  They really should buy the store upstairs and converted it into a sitting area.


 
This is what SoCal thinks boba is:

boba_fett_1.jpg


Oooo... I should open up a cafe and sell Taiwanese drinks and deep fried food... I'll call it "Boba Fatt".
 
So, tell me. Where can an English girl get a boba drink? I could have swore I saw it once at Starbucks or some other common (non-Asian) chain but I could be wrong.

I don't know what that robot is.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
You get a wide straw and chew the boba (don't drink it...you'll choke).

Thank you!! - I thought so!  :o
But then again, if you're not supposed to swallow it, why the wide straw? - You see, it is confusing.

I figure people sip the drink and the boba is just a garnish - not meant to be eaten. I saw a person leave it all in the bottom of their cup before. I guess that's why I thought it's just for decoration. Maybe that person just doesn't know what to do with it like me.  :P
 
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