Irvinecommuter
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Florida...don't be like it.
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Countdown for in-person schooling
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My thought is that Newsome wanted to get past Labor Day...most districts would not be ready to go back before October anyways.
We have not even gotten to the second wave...
It won't...schools in SK, China, HK, and other places have had to shutdown multiple times due to COVID concerns and they have significantly fewer cases than US.
If we cannot contain COVID in university setting...not sure how we will do it in a grade school environment.
I'm in the camp that schools don't actually want to open. Newsom moves the goal post. Schools have a convenient person to blame. Public schools are not equipped for in person no matter how many masks they stock up or how many pages of guidelines they write up.
Yeah we are in the same camp. If that is the case then we would just appreciate transparency and for newsome to just come out and say they don?t believe it?s safe and we will not open schools until there is a vaccine. No need to create uncertainty.
If OC does continue to have good numbers and they don?t let the schools open again on 9/22 then it will be crystal clear at that point.
If it was up to me she would have been in private school for this year. My wife is against the constant movement. I think it?s more harmful to have her do remote learning for a year than to move her for one year to private school. The kids she is friends with now are all in the neighborhood and we can just continue with play dates so she doesn?t lose touch.
I guess it depends on the private school you go to and the individual need of the student but I don't think private school is better per se. I think there are students who would benefit from the smaller classrooms but most private school do not pay their teachers well and does not require the same level of training and background. Most private teachers I know are there while waiting to get into a public school program.
Also...you can take the money that you pay for private school for personal tutoring and after school classes.
Irvine is already sheltered enough...I do not need to extra layer of sheltering for my kids from private schools.
I guess I do not take my daughter's schooling as seriously as other but I honestly do not see the "loss" from remote learning, especially at a grade school level. No...it's not optimal and not as good as in-person learning but I see no academic loss from it, at least nothing that we cannot reinforce by finding outside work/apps/tutoring to make up.
The biggest loss to me is the social interaction but I doubt private schools are allowing kids to congregate and hang out at school anyways.
The religious part is dependent on the individual and plenty of private schools do not have religious aspects to them.
I have no doubt that the curriculum is intense at private school but nothing I cannot supplement myself. My daughter knew her capitals and states by kindergarten and because she really like geography and the Wakko's states/capital songs from Animaniacs. My son on the other hand does not like geography but he loves marine animals (in part cuz he love Octonauts) and can tell you all sorts of stuff about random marine animals. My daughter is great reader but my son loves building legos...just different styles for different folks.
My point is not to say that private schools are bad or do not have value...smaller class sizes and more resources allows student to explore more and have more one-on-one interaction. There is also an "exclusivity" factor in which you (and your kids) are hanging out with the "right crowds"...which can be good and bad.
My point is that if you are willing to spend the money to send your kids to private school...you are likely a parent who takes an active role in helping your children learn and develop. If so, going to public school, especially in Irvine, should make no difference.
This sort of reminds me of parents who took their kids out of their local elementary school to go to the AAPAS program...which is basically IUSD's way of pulling kids from newer and more crowded schools to older schools where there are fewer kids. I am sure the curriculum is good in AAPAS but I feel confident that my daughter will do just fine when she rejoins all of her former friends in junior high.
I think it's two separate conversations. Private school versus public school in a normal school year -pros and cons to both sides. But in a pandemic, there's no doubt in my mind that private school > public school. If you want some sort of in person schooling, the only way to do it right now in the OC is the private route. Even if you don't feel comfortable with in person, DL through private school is much better. There's less kids, more instructional time, more teaching, smaller collaborative environment. It's impossible to achieve this with 30 kids. Obviously YMMV depending on the private school.
In terms of losing out on a year, I agree with what you said. However, don't discount DL making kids feel BLAH about school and learning. For academics, sure, you can do all that private tutoring/enrichment classes/apps/etc, but if you're going to make your kid do all that after 5 hours of "distant learning" through public school, shouldn't you either homeschool or just go to private school? Saves your kid from all that wasted time 5x a week.
Right except some parents don't want to DIY. It's like that long thread on here about washing your car. I outsource that. But some like to do it themselves. I'm suggesting QWERTY do private school because it sounds like it would be suitable for his situation. No one recommended it for your kids.
Yeah...the worst part of DL is not the academic but the staring at a screen and lack of social interaction but I think that is inherent with DL in general. DL for my daughter right now is not really 5 hours...they check in for a few hours and do the work assigned but it is certainly not nearly as taxing as traditional school. A few hours of additional work is basically on par with what she was doing before.
Yes...homeschool is an option but like you said....it depends on the level of DIY.
Reopening of Orange County schools now delayed to Sept. 22, at the earliest
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/08/...hools-now-delayed-to-sept-22-at-the-earliest/
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/08/...hools-now-delayed-to-sept-22-at-the-earliest/
Irvinecommuter
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WTTCHMN said:
My thought is that Newsome wanted to get past Labor Day...most districts would not be ready to go back before October anyways.
irvinehomeowner
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This is probably going to end up being a 2021 thing. Get past the holidays and flu season... and maybe early vaccination. 
Irvinecommuter
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irvinehomeowner said:This is probably going to end up being a 2021 thing. Get past the holidays and flu season... and maybe early vaccination.
We have not even gotten to the second wave...
morekaos
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Open, open, open...
NYC schools will REOPEN on September 21 - 10 days later than planned - with students attending in-person classes two or three days a week in staggered groups
In-person learning will begin for some students on September 21
Kids are expected to attend classes two or three days a week and learn remotely for the remainder
De Blasio had planned to let kids back into the classroom on September 10
Teachers threatened to strike, saying they did not have enough time to come up with safe plans
The plan has now been pushed back until September 21
There will be a mandatory, monthly 'health monitoring' program that involves testing, he said
Nurses will be hired and kids and teachers will be tested at random
Parents must consent to their child being tested; if they do not, the child may be not be allowed to go to school
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8686001/NYC-schools-reopen-September-21.html
NYC schools will REOPEN on September 21 - 10 days later than planned - with students attending in-person classes two or three days a week in staggered groups
In-person learning will begin for some students on September 21
Kids are expected to attend classes two or three days a week and learn remotely for the remainder
De Blasio had planned to let kids back into the classroom on September 10
Teachers threatened to strike, saying they did not have enough time to come up with safe plans
The plan has now been pushed back until September 21
There will be a mandatory, monthly 'health monitoring' program that involves testing, he said
Nurses will be hired and kids and teachers will be tested at random
Parents must consent to their child being tested; if they do not, the child may be not be allowed to go to school
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8686001/NYC-schools-reopen-September-21.html
nosuchreality
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You missed this little doozie of a piece.
Irvinecommuter
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nosuchreality said:
It won't...schools in SK, China, HK, and other places have had to shutdown multiple times due to COVID concerns and they have significantly fewer cases than US.
If we cannot contain COVID in university setting...not sure how we will do it in a grade school environment.
Irvinecommuter said:
I'm in the camp that schools don't actually want to open. Newsom moves the goal post. Schools have a convenient person to blame. Public schools are not equipped for in person no matter how many masks they stock up or how many pages of guidelines they write up.
qwerty
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bones said:
Yeah we are in the same camp. If that is the case then we would just appreciate transparency and for newsome to just come out and say they don?t believe it?s safe and we will not open schools until there is a vaccine. No need to create uncertainty.
If OC does continue to have good numbers and they don?t let the schools open again on 9/22 then it will be crystal clear at that point.
qwerty
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bones said:
If it was up to me she would have been in private school for this year. My wife is against the constant movement. I think it?s more harmful to have her do remote learning for a year than to move her for one year to private school. The kids she is friends with now are all in the neighborhood and we can just continue with play dates so she doesn?t lose touch.
Irvinecommuter
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bones said:
I guess it depends on the private school you go to and the individual need of the student but I don't think private school is better per se. I think there are students who would benefit from the smaller classrooms but most private school do not pay their teachers well and does not require the same level of training and background. Most private teachers I know are there while waiting to get into a public school program.
Also...you can take the money that you pay for private school for personal tutoring and after school classes.
Irvine is already sheltered enough...I do not need to extra layer of sheltering for my kids from private schools.
Irvinecommuter
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qwerty said:
I guess I do not take my daughter's schooling as seriously as other but I honestly do not see the "loss" from remote learning, especially at a grade school level. No...it's not optimal and not as good as in-person learning but I see no academic loss from it, at least nothing that we cannot reinforce by finding outside work/apps/tutoring to make up.
The biggest loss to me is the social interaction but I doubt private schools are allowing kids to congregate and hang out at school anyways.
Depending on the private school. The curriculum is intense. Not only they have to do regular school work. They also learn about religion.
The regular school work is not a piece of cake. (Memorize the following: presidents, states capitals, location of states, then location of countries, Bible versus. (This is for lower grades)
The regular school work is not a piece of cake. (Memorize the following: presidents, states capitals, location of states, then location of countries, Bible versus. (This is for lower grades)
Irvinecommuter
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eyephone said:
The religious part is dependent on the individual and plenty of private schools do not have religious aspects to them.
I have no doubt that the curriculum is intense at private school but nothing I cannot supplement myself. My daughter knew her capitals and states by kindergarten and because she really like geography and the Wakko's states/capital songs from Animaniacs. My son on the other hand does not like geography but he loves marine animals (in part cuz he love Octonauts) and can tell you all sorts of stuff about random marine animals. My daughter is great reader but my son loves building legos...just different styles for different folks.
My point is not to say that private schools are bad or do not have value...smaller class sizes and more resources allows student to explore more and have more one-on-one interaction. There is also an "exclusivity" factor in which you (and your kids) are hanging out with the "right crowds"...which can be good and bad.
My point is that if you are willing to spend the money to send your kids to private school...you are likely a parent who takes an active role in helping your children learn and develop. If so, going to public school, especially in Irvine, should make no difference.
This sort of reminds me of parents who took their kids out of their local elementary school to go to the AAPAS program...which is basically IUSD's way of pulling kids from newer and more crowded schools to older schools where there are fewer kids. I am sure the curriculum is good in AAPAS but I feel confident that my daughter will do just fine when she rejoins all of her former friends in junior high.
Irvinecommuter said:
Irvinecommuter said:
I think it's two separate conversations. Private school versus public school in a normal school year -pros and cons to both sides. But in a pandemic, there's no doubt in my mind that private school > public school. If you want some sort of in person schooling, the only way to do it right now in the OC is the private route. Even if you don't feel comfortable with in person, DL through private school is much better. There's less kids, more instructional time, more teaching, smaller collaborative environment. It's impossible to achieve this with 30 kids. Obviously YMMV depending on the private school.
In terms of losing out on a year, I agree with what you said. However, don't discount DL making kids feel BLAH about school and learning. For academics, sure, you can do all that private tutoring/enrichment classes/apps/etc, but if you're going to make your kid do all that after 5 hours of "distant learning" through public school, shouldn't you either homeschool or just go to private school? Saves your kid from all that wasted time 5x a week.
Irvinecommuter said:
Right except some parents don't want to DIY. It's like that long thread on here about washing your car. I outsource that. But some like to do it themselves. I'm suggesting QWERTY do private school because it sounds like it would be suitable for his situation. No one recommended it for your kids.
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bones said:
Yeah...the worst part of DL is not the academic but the staring at a screen and lack of social interaction but I think that is inherent with DL in general. DL for my daughter right now is not really 5 hours...they check in for a few hours and do the work assigned but it is certainly not nearly as taxing as traditional school. A few hours of additional work is basically on par with what she was doing before.
Yes...homeschool is an option but like you said....it depends on the level of DIY.