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"these results do not alter the risk-benefit ratio favoring vaccination against COVID-19 to prevent severe clinical outcomes."
Glad you/purple font is on the same page, vaccinations for the win, hallelujah
Back to this NFL player incidence, a lot of current and former players are scared to openly express their concerns of the jabs for the same reason. Why do you think there was a strong emotional reaction for all of them on the field when this happened?because it was a routine tackle and they all knew it could happen to any of them because most are jabbed.
Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber. I guess stupidity has no limits.
But US is implementing travel restrictions from China and there are reports that Covid is surging again in China.
I think I'm jumping to the morekaos side.
potsticker
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Cardiac arrest for athletes, while unfortunate, is not anything new. See this 2016 study: https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardi...ports-participation-and-sudden-cardiac-arrest
This is why AED's became required for public schools a few years ago and why many schools already had them long before the law required it. Athletes are stronger and faster than ever before. Advances in technology and general body awareness allow them to train harder and target specific areas of their body.
This is why AED's became required for public schools a few years ago and why many schools already had them long before the law required it. Athletes are stronger and faster than ever before. Advances in technology and general body awareness allow them to train harder and target specific areas of their body.
What's the current stat, 70% of the population has had at least one covid vaccination? Glad they all did, it would've been 70% of the population dead, can't rule out that possibility. Glad we're all on the same page
morekaos
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Well around 70% of the population has decided not to get any boosters so I bet they are glad they didn’t. They seem to have ruled out that possibility.
www.webmd.com
Nationally, a total of 109 million Americans have received their first booster dose — representing less than 50% of those who have been fully vaccinated. Just over a third — 35% — of the total U.S. population over the age of 5 has received their first booster.
COVID Booster Shot Poll: People ‘Don’t Think They Need One’
COVID Booster Shot Poll: People ‘Don’t Think They Need One’
The most common reasons people give for not getting the latest booster shot is that they “don’t think they need one” (44%) and they “don’t think the benefits are worth it” (37%), according to poll results out this week from the Kaiser Family Foundation.
www.webmd.com
Nationally, a total of 109 million Americans have received their first booster dose — representing less than 50% of those who have been fully vaccinated. Just over a third — 35% — of the total U.S. population over the age of 5 has received their first booster.
you're posting from a poll?
usafacts.org
At least 262,908,216 people or 79% of the population have received at least one dose.
Overall, 224,113,439 people or 68% of the population are considered fully vaccinated.
what can you say, but thanks for the vaccination to be so effective and people are alive because of it, yay!!!
US Coronavirus vaccine tracker
Each state has a different plan — and different challenges — in distributing vaccines. Learn more about who is getting vaccinated by parsing the data by age, sex and race.
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At least 262,908,216 people or 79% of the population have received at least one dose.
Overall, 224,113,439 people or 68% of the population are considered fully vaccinated.
what can you say, but thanks for the vaccination to be so effective and people are alive because of it, yay!!!
irvinehomeowner
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Unlimited shots! It's like KBBQ.
Yonker et al Harvard, Circulation, free intact circulating Spike protein found in plasma, 16 cases of confirmed myocarditis. Raises the possibility of monoclonal antibody, IVM, and other direct antispike protein therapies.
good news there are possible treatments for people who are jabbed.
bad news the lead author is from Harvard, never heard about that school before.
good news there are possible treatments for people who are jabbed.
bad news the lead author is from Harvard, never heard about that school before.
irvinehomeowner
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After Covid, I can work from home and I've gained weight.
Maybe that's due to the vaccines too?
#correlationvscausation
Maybe that's due to the vaccines too?
#correlationvscausation
after reading it, conclusion is:
"these results do not alter the risk-benefit ratio favoring vaccination against COVID-19 to prevent severe clinical outcomes."
Glad you/purple font is on the same page, vaccinations for the win, hallelujah
You do know that if the authors don't put that in the conclusion they would probably face backlash and lose their jobs?after reading it, conclusion is:
"these results do not alter the risk-benefit ratio favoring vaccination against COVID-19 to prevent severe clinical outcomes."
Glad you/purple font is on the same page, vaccinations for the win, hallelujah
Back to this NFL player incidence, a lot of current and former players are scared to openly express their concerns of the jabs for the same reason. Why do you think there was a strong emotional reaction for all of them on the field when this happened?because it was a routine tackle and they all knew it could happen to any of them because most are jabbed.
qwerty
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So you think every player on the field though the following right after the hit: “I’m vaccinated and if that happens after a routine tackle that can happen to me because I’m vaccinated”
Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber. I guess stupidity has no limits.
irvinehomeowner
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I don't get it. They are opening up Chinese borders for travel after 3 years.Reports that BF7 variant in China is pretty bad (remember all the lockdowns in the news recently?).
Also heard there are going to be US travel restrictions from China put into place on 1/5/23.
My question is, if it's that bad... why not make these restrictions active today? Isn't that how it spread in the first place is we didn't react quickly enough?
Although realistically... virus is gonna virus.
But US is implementing travel restrictions from China and there are reports that Covid is surging again in China.
I think I'm jumping to the morekaos side.
morekaos
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…. and the D bag actually admits what I have been screaming for years. Total waste of time, very sad for our country‘s children.
Weingarten ripped for finally admitting that "remote education didn't work"
“What we have seen in public education is that technology can’t replace teachers. Remote education didn’t work, in part because you have to have relationships. You have to build trust,” she wrote in a tweet on Friday.
morekaos
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So now..after the fact…the fools at CNN and the Washington Post’s Leana Wen finally admit that we are and have been over counting Covid deaths…Conspiracy theory turns out to be fact in retro-spect…Whoda Thunk?
We are overcounting covid deaths and hospitalizations. That’s a problem.
By Leana S. Wen
Contributing columnist
January 13, 2023 at 7:00 a.m. EST
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United States is experiencing around 400 covid deaths every day. At that rate, there would be nearly 150,000 deaths a year.
But are these Americans dying from covid or with covid?
Understanding this distinction is crucial to putting the continuing toll of the coronavirus into perspective. Determining how likely an infection will result in hospitalization or death helps people weigh their own risk. It also enables health officials to assess when vaccine effectiveness wanes and future rounds of boosters are needed.
Two infectious-disease experts I spoke with believe that the number of deaths attributed to covid is far greater than the actual number of people dying from covid. Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness.
“Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for covid, many are incidentally positive,” he said. A gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack, for example, could test positive for the virus, but the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care.
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Dretler also sees patients with multiple concurrent infections. “People who have very low white blood cell counts from chemotherapy might be admitted because of bacterial pneumonia or foot gangrene. They may also have covid, but covid is not the main reason why they’re so sick.”
If these patient die, covid might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.
Dretler is quick to add that the imprecise reporting is not because of bad intent. There is no truth to the conspiracy theory that hospitals are trying to exaggerate coronavirus numbers for some nefarious purpose. But, he said, “inadvertently overstating risk can make the anxious more anxious and the skeptical more skeptical.”
Doron’s work was instrumental to Massachusetts changing its hospitalization reporting a year ago to include both total hospitalizations with covid and those that received dexamethasone. In recent months, only about 30 percent of total hospitalizations with covid were primarily attributed to the virus.
This tracks with Doron’s experience at her hospital, Tufts Medical Center, where she also serves as hospital epidemiologist. Earlier in the pandemic, a large proportion of covid-positive hospitalizations were due to covid. But as more people developed some immunity through vaccination or infection, fewer patients were hospitalized because of it. During some days, she said, the proportion of those hospitalized because of covid were as low as 10 percent of the total number reported.
Determining the true number of hospitalizations from covid has immediate, practical purposes. “It allows for better forecasting of hospital capacity,” Doron told me. “If our hospital beds are full and we attribute it to covid, we might think that we’ll get the beds back when the wave of infections is over. But if people are sick from other causes, the beds could stay full.”
Doron acknowledges that there is a gray zone in the data in which covid might not be the primary cause of death but could have contributed to it. For instance, covid infection could push someone with chronic kidney disease into kidney failure. She and her colleagues are collecting data on this as well.
Guest Opinion: The coronavirus is speaking. It’s saying it’s not done with us.
Both Dretler and Doron have faced criticism from people who say they are minimizing covid. That is not at all their aim. They have taken care of covid patients throughout the pandemic and have seen the evolution of the disease. Earlier on, covid pneumonia often killed otherwise healthy people. Today, most patients in their hospitals carrying the coronavirus are there for another reason. They want the public to see what they’re seeing, because, as Doron says, “overcounting covid deaths undermines people’s sense of security and the efficacy of vaccines.”
To be clear, if the covid death count turns out to be 30 percent of what’s currently reported, that’s still unacceptably high. But that knowledge could help people better gauge the risks of traveling, indoor dining and activities they have yet to resume.
Most importantly, knowing who exactly is dying from covid can help us identify who is truly vulnerable. These are the patients we need to protect through better vaccines and treatments.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...andemic-deaths-hospitalizations-overcounting/
We are overcounting covid deaths and hospitalizations. That’s a problem.
By Leana S. Wen
Contributing columnist
January 13, 2023 at 7:00 a.m. EST
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United States is experiencing around 400 covid deaths every day. At that rate, there would be nearly 150,000 deaths a year.
But are these Americans dying from covid or with covid?
Understanding this distinction is crucial to putting the continuing toll of the coronavirus into perspective. Determining how likely an infection will result in hospitalization or death helps people weigh their own risk. It also enables health officials to assess when vaccine effectiveness wanes and future rounds of boosters are needed.
Two infectious-disease experts I spoke with believe that the number of deaths attributed to covid is far greater than the actual number of people dying from covid. Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness.
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“Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for covid, many are incidentally positive,” he said. A gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack, for example, could test positive for the virus, but the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care.
Sign up for The Checkup With Dr. Wen, a newsletter on how to navigate the pandemic and other public health challenges
Dretler also sees patients with multiple concurrent infections. “People who have very low white blood cell counts from chemotherapy might be admitted because of bacterial pneumonia or foot gangrene. They may also have covid, but covid is not the main reason why they’re so sick.”
If these patient die, covid might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.
Dretler is quick to add that the imprecise reporting is not because of bad intent. There is no truth to the conspiracy theory that hospitals are trying to exaggerate coronavirus numbers for some nefarious purpose. But, he said, “inadvertently overstating risk can make the anxious more anxious and the skeptical more skeptical.”
Another infectious-disease physician, Shira Doron, has been researching how to more accurately attribute severe illness due to covid. After evaluating medical records of covid patients, she and her colleagues found that use of the steroid dexamethasone, a standard treatment for covid patients with low oxygen levels, was a good proxy measure for hospitalizations due to the coronavirus. If someone who tested positive didn’t receive dexamethasone during their inpatient stay, they were probably in the hospital for a different cause.Doron’s work was instrumental to Massachusetts changing its hospitalization reporting a year ago to include both total hospitalizations with covid and those that received dexamethasone. In recent months, only about 30 percent of total hospitalizations with covid were primarily attributed to the virus.
This tracks with Doron’s experience at her hospital, Tufts Medical Center, where she also serves as hospital epidemiologist. Earlier in the pandemic, a large proportion of covid-positive hospitalizations were due to covid. But as more people developed some immunity through vaccination or infection, fewer patients were hospitalized because of it. During some days, she said, the proportion of those hospitalized because of covid were as low as 10 percent of the total number reported.
Determining the true number of hospitalizations from covid has immediate, practical purposes. “It allows for better forecasting of hospital capacity,” Doron told me. “If our hospital beds are full and we attribute it to covid, we might think that we’ll get the beds back when the wave of infections is over. But if people are sick from other causes, the beds could stay full.”
Doron acknowledges that there is a gray zone in the data in which covid might not be the primary cause of death but could have contributed to it. For instance, covid infection could push someone with chronic kidney disease into kidney failure. She and her colleagues are collecting data on this as well.
Guest Opinion: The coronavirus is speaking. It’s saying it’s not done with us.
Both Dretler and Doron have faced criticism from people who say they are minimizing covid. That is not at all their aim. They have taken care of covid patients throughout the pandemic and have seen the evolution of the disease. Earlier on, covid pneumonia often killed otherwise healthy people. Today, most patients in their hospitals carrying the coronavirus are there for another reason. They want the public to see what they’re seeing, because, as Doron says, “overcounting covid deaths undermines people’s sense of security and the efficacy of vaccines.”
To be clear, if the covid death count turns out to be 30 percent of what’s currently reported, that’s still unacceptably high. But that knowledge could help people better gauge the risks of traveling, indoor dining and activities they have yet to resume.
Most importantly, knowing who exactly is dying from covid can help us identify who is truly vulnerable. These are the patients we need to protect through better vaccines and treatments.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...andemic-deaths-hospitalizations-overcounting/
irvinehomeowner
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It must be really bad and getting out of hand that CDC has to admit the vaccine may be causing strokes. The truth always comes out at the end.
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qwerty
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You dumb bastard.
morekaos
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it is a wierd coincidence though….
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