irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
@qwerty: You still don't get it. For a concept that's so simple I don't understand why you continue to struggle with it.
Why do you think the death rate is that low? Because of the lockdown and other safety protocols. The infection rate and death rate goes up when people don't adhere to the guidelines and medical resources like Italy and NYC are overtaxed.
Even if just Covid itself has a small percentage of death, when hospitals are overrun, treatable cases become deaths. Treatable cases from other medical issues become deaths. That's what we are trying to avoid... that's flattening the curve.
How many unemployed do you think there would be if the death rate was higher? Businesses were shutting down regardless of the lockdown. There were many businesses that fell into the "essential" category yet they voluntarily furloughed or laid people off due to safety concerns. Every restaurant was capable of doing takeout so they could have stayed open, but many chose to shut down.
And there were many companies that didn't lay people off... they went remote. But imagine if all these people are sick? Businesses would struggle because their workforce was impaired (like the meat packing companies).
You keep talking about how we shouldn't have locked down... so what would have happened if we didn't? Again, Dow fell way before the lockdown orders and there were many states that didn't shut down strictly yet suffered the same economic hit.
It's disingenuous to say the lockdown caused the economy to fall... it was the virus. And if left unchecked, it would be much worse. You keep saying that how is saving a life from Covid greater than X... but that's not the argument. It's just saving lives period... and with Covid, there were so many unknowns, everyone (including you) were taking precautions to make sure we were safe. All those other things are known risks and we have treatments/vaccines/remedies for... that's why this is different.
One other thing, it's so easy to opine after the fact and after the curve has been flattened. You weren't so brave when Italy and NYC were suffering. Are you going back to the office every day now? Even if the death rate is so low... do you want to get Covid? No. No one does because we don't know what the long term effects are and there is no guarantee we won't be in that percentage that does die. That's why it's important that we adhere to safety guidelines. You can't keep saying "if you die you die" but then in the same breath say "well, I don't want to get Covid". Why don't you?
Why do you think the death rate is that low? Because of the lockdown and other safety protocols. The infection rate and death rate goes up when people don't adhere to the guidelines and medical resources like Italy and NYC are overtaxed.
Even if just Covid itself has a small percentage of death, when hospitals are overrun, treatable cases become deaths. Treatable cases from other medical issues become deaths. That's what we are trying to avoid... that's flattening the curve.
How many unemployed do you think there would be if the death rate was higher? Businesses were shutting down regardless of the lockdown. There were many businesses that fell into the "essential" category yet they voluntarily furloughed or laid people off due to safety concerns. Every restaurant was capable of doing takeout so they could have stayed open, but many chose to shut down.
And there were many companies that didn't lay people off... they went remote. But imagine if all these people are sick? Businesses would struggle because their workforce was impaired (like the meat packing companies).
You keep talking about how we shouldn't have locked down... so what would have happened if we didn't? Again, Dow fell way before the lockdown orders and there were many states that didn't shut down strictly yet suffered the same economic hit.
It's disingenuous to say the lockdown caused the economy to fall... it was the virus. And if left unchecked, it would be much worse. You keep saying that how is saving a life from Covid greater than X... but that's not the argument. It's just saving lives period... and with Covid, there were so many unknowns, everyone (including you) were taking precautions to make sure we were safe. All those other things are known risks and we have treatments/vaccines/remedies for... that's why this is different.
One other thing, it's so easy to opine after the fact and after the curve has been flattened. You weren't so brave when Italy and NYC were suffering. Are you going back to the office every day now? Even if the death rate is so low... do you want to get Covid? No. No one does because we don't know what the long term effects are and there is no guarantee we won't be in that percentage that does die. That's why it's important that we adhere to safety guidelines. You can't keep saying "if you die you die" but then in the same breath say "well, I don't want to get Covid". Why don't you?
