Cookie Cutter houses in Irvine.

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I'd happily take a dozen cute UCI girls as my neighbors, they're welcome to knock on my door any time to ask me to join them in the jacuzzi or 24 HR fitness.





But seriously, I've heard all kinds of weird neighbors-from-hell stories from my friends. One girl who lives in Thousand Oaks had this retired elderly couple next door that installed video cameras around their property. Whenever her brother or friends park in the "wrong place", they come out within 30 seconds to yell at them. I once went to visit and saw the husband with a camcorder in hand pointed at me. I politely asked him if he'd like me to sign a waver so he can use my image on "neighbors gone wild" video, and he just stormed back into the house. :(





I don't socialize with my neighbors much, but will say that I don't mind quiet ones that leave me alone, because they're still far better than the neighbor-from-hell types.
 
<p> "One man's complain another man's desire". I enjoy my privacy too much to be ruined by unwanted company. With limited times and busy life styles, I want to spend my free time with friends and family of my choice. The last thing I want is to be bothered by someone else's plumbing problem. There should be a 24hrs emergency numbers list on everyone's refrigerator. </p>

<p>Don't get me wrong, I would like to help as much as the next guy. But if you want my company put a note on my door and invite me to your BBQ and let me have a choice. Don't try to dump your problems in my lap; I got enough of them on my own.</p>
 
Troopper,



I frequent Hollywood and LA on a weekly basis. The many years I lived in Irvine I missed the great mom and pop restaurants so I have been doing this for over 10 years now. I have been going out of Irvine to experience unique cultural and dining experience. Even the retail and entertainment establishments are formulated like the cookie cutter houses. There are no mom and pop restaurants here and everything is chain restaurant. The menus of the local restaurant were generated in a focus group lab. The chefs work at the Irvine ethnic restaurants do not match the ethnicity of the cuisine prepared.



The retails are all chain brands. Theatres in my opinion are the worst of all. I have never watched a movie in Irvine. Foreign and cultural movie were shown at just 2 theatres in the entire OC. A small outdated theatre by UCI and by the now demolished Edward Theatre by South Coast Plaza. Movie theatre boxes in Irvine lacks the glamour of what movie palaces should be. The Grauman Chinese, Egyptian, Alex in Glendale, El Capitan, Fox and the recent Grove and Century City AMC. The real excitement of going to a movie theatre should be the glamorous presentation of the lobby and not the pop corn machines and soda fountains.



Hollywood IMO have progressed a long way in getting rid and lowering crime. People in the Crescent Height, Larchmont and Fairfax neighborhood are very close. They all know each other and formed self elected home association to fight and keep crime out of the neighborhood. I was impressed by the local farmers’ market and monthly social events that neighbors put together for social interactions.



As suburb matures it will begin to become a city. The perfectly planned city like Irvine as it matures still lacks the interest, charm and identity of a random, unpredictable, disorderly evolved city like Hollywood Proper.
 
<p><em>"The last thing I want is to be bothered by someone else's plumbing problem". "Don't try to dump your problems in my lap; I got enough of them on my own".</em></p>

<p>Wow, what a nice guy you are.</p>

<p>I'm glad that back east, my neighbors are the type of people that don't mind helping out.....as do I if they need anything. The requests are never cumbersome, usually very humble in nature. Such as the basement beginning to fill up. My tenant panicked and knew she had help next door. If she had called a 24 hr service, it would have taken about 2 hrs to respond and I would probably have lost my furnace, washer/dryer and many stored items. It was already at the 1 ft watermark when she discovered it. I figure the nice neighbor (not the "annoying, bothersome, drama" type neighbor you describe).....the genuinely nice, with no strings attached guy, saved me about $4000. </p>

<p>I guess it's and east coast thing. You wouldn't understand. </p>

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bkshopr:





I'm going to have to disagree with you on the restaurant issue...there are really good places to eat in Irvine that aren't national chains...you just have to know where to look. In Northwood, there are some good Korean tofu/BBQ eateries (specifically, in Northwood Town Center), Chinese food is great in that shopping center off Walnut and Jeffrey by 99 Ranch, and quality Mexican food places abound (http://ocmexfood.blogspot.com/ is a great site).





Not to mention the good Persian food off Culver and Trabuco...





Besides, just because a restaurant belongs to a local chain (like Taco Rosa, for instance), doesn't mean it isn't really good! First Class Pizza is a local OC chain...but I'll still eat there, and love what they have.





Also, I'm not sure why having a chef of the same ethnicity as the food he/she is preparing is relevant to anything...





-OCR
 
I lived in a place with tons of great Mom and Pop eateries (San Diego) and I got fat from eating out too much! We also aren't a fan of the generic food chains. Here in Irvine we eat at home a lot more and it sure is easier on the wallet and the belly. I also work right next to a Trader Joes. Can't beat that. We can always to go Tustin, HB, CM, or Lake forest if we want Mom and Pop style restaurants.





Irvine isn't for everyone. Since this blog even exists you can see that a lot of us really love it here.
 
<p>bkshopr - I grew up in santa monica and live in Irvine now - I miss LA everyday and do find OC in general to be bland and very cookie cutterish. However, I don't think you are being fair to OC nor Irvine. Most of your posts make it sound like you really haven't checked out the area at all.</p>

<p>I find a ton of cool mom & pop restaurants and shops out here - sure there aren't entire city blocks of them but they are around. In Irvine, there are a ton of mom & pop asian restaurants. Just outside of Irvine, there are a ton more. Last week, we went to a cool little place called ruettabegas in old Orange! Also, as far as culture and events go, OC is full of cool little things - the living art in Laguna, the various performing arts center, the history in old orange and old santa ana, etc</p>

<p>Irvine might be a bit more bland but Irvine is mainly residential and is much younger than the rest of the cities. Of all the cities in OC, I like Irvine the best for its central location and its parks. </p>
 
um... hollywood vs irvine? one time i was in the hollywood & highlands area during the afternoon before a ballgame. i thought to myself, ahh this is what this place looks like durign the day. usually i'm there on a saturday night for some club, party, or show... and i dont realize what a craphole that whole area is. glamour?? maybe that whole theater area is charming if you're watching black and white. otherwise i dont think we should be comparing any place that shares the same block as twelve shops selling s&m outfits with anywhere in irvine.
 
<p>Haven't seen much on updated new home prices. Anyone have a chance to go house shopping lately? I am curious as to how the new home market is doing these days. </p>

<p>But back to Irvine, I agree, this is place is not LA, NYC, Paris, London, Rome...so those that don't like the modern day suburbs probably shouldn't live here. Yes, it is new, yes we have a lot of chain restaurants, and yes the communities are master planned, perfectly manicured and have homes designed to blend in with each other. It is a lifestyle preference. If you absolutely have to live in Orange County because of work but hate the uniformity, you can move to Costa Mesa, Santa Ana, Garden Grove, Orange. You will find tons of children running around on big and small neighborhood streets, purple/pink/turquoise homes in all shapes and sizes, and many hole in the wall eateries.</p>
 
To: OakCreekRenter





I think some people find the restaurants in Irvine bland, because there are better places nearby. For example Korean food in Buena Park, Chinese food in Hacienda Heights & Rowland Heights, Japanese food in Costa Mesa & Torrance, Vietnamese food in Westminster, and assorted fine dining in Newport.





I'm not saying that all restaurants in our neighborhood are bad, there are some good ones. But I generally get better service in Newport or even RSM. For example when I complained that my medium-rare burger was way over cooked to well done at Opah in Tustin Marketplace, the waitress said she'd tell the cook and ran off. No offers to get me another one and no sign of the manager.





In comparison, whenever I dined at Opah in RSM, the manager dude is always standing around watching the place like a hawk looking for squirrels. If I'm not happy with the dish for any reason, the manager himself comes over to take care of it.





It's a longer drive from Irvine to RSM, but I'm willing to make that trip.
 
momopi:





Fair enough, and I agree that the better food tends to be in areas outside of (but within close range) of Irvine. But that's the great part about Irvine, right? I don't mind cycling/driving a few minutes outside of Irvine considering that to go from Hollywood to Santa Monica on a good day takes well over 40 minutes. And the stuff in Irvine isn't all that bad.





But there's a big difference between that and saying "There are no mom and pop restaurants here and everything is chain restaurant." and "The menus of the local restaurant were generated in a focus group lab."





On an off-topic, Honda-ya in Tustin (not Irvine?) is pretty good...





-OCR
 
i think people love to complain about chain restaurants but i think if we actually made a list of all the places we dined at, it would be filled with chains. For every one person that rolls their eyes whenever olive garden, cheesecake factory, or outback is mentioned, there's six waiting for a table at one of those places. in spite of all the chains, i dont think theres any person that's dined at every place in irvine. i'm still finding places all the time!
 
<p>Having resided in Irvine for the last five years (formerly lived in Orange and Huntington Beach), I also noted the lack of mom and pop restaurants, non-chain burger joints, and even liquor stores. I suspect the cost of retail leasing is a detriment to non corporate owned businesses.</p>
 
<p>My bro-in-law once visited me. And he said he knocked on the wrong townhome b/c they all look the same. Another time he was passing by and needed to use the restroom and again he put the key in a neighbor's unit. And I agree, why do builder give us a "courtyard" with the neighbor's window overlooking it? I can't see myself out there drinking or eating knowing the neighbors might be looking.</p>

<p> And for whatever reason, I tend to head to 4th street in downtown Santa Ana for the mexican food. Ohhh....Have u guys seen a particular neighborhood in Santa Ana?...near 17th and Main. It's muy beautiful!! I was shock! Yes, the majority of the city aren't all that great. But this particular neighborhood...whoa!! Does anyone know?</p>
 
reason, I believe the neighborhodo your ralking about is called Floral Park..yes, it is beautiful..pricey..not the best place for public education..but then again if you can afford the area you're probably sending your kids to Mater Dei.
 
Definitely Floral Park. Quite nice, indeed. We've been looking there off and on. As soon as prices re-enter earth's atmosphere, we're likely going in that direction. You can find some of the homes for sale at www.historichomes.com or at www.santaanarealty.com
 
Reason,

The neighborhood is Floral Park by 17th and Broadway just one block off from Main St.

Check out their website: <a href="http://www.floralpark.com/">www.floralpark.com</a>



In 2005 this neighborhood was the winner of Neighborhood of USA selected from thousands of entries across America. It is the hidden gem in OC with period architecture and mature specimen and fruit trees through out the neighborhood. HOA, Garden Club and Historical preservation are all voluntary.





No home owner due is required but the neighborhood operate on an honor system. Money is raised annually through Floral Park Home and Garden Tour. No one will paint their house purple, park their cars in front of their neighbor’s home just to annoy them, tear down a home and build a castle out of river rocks, park and RV in prominent view, neglected landscape, or not maintaining the nice exterior appearance of their home. Peer pressure to maintaining this "little Pasadena" neighborhood appearance is the silence code of conduct.





I suggest driving through this neighborhood during Christmas time. The decoration and turn of the century street lamps really evoke the beauty of a by gone era that we see only on Christmas cards.



Residents of Floral Park are primarily Anglo Saxon. Many are third generations in Floral Park. Due to the proximity to OC civic center, judiciary center, UCI medical Center, St Joseph and CHOC hospitals its residents consist of many Politicians, surgeons, attorneys and even architects. The wealth in this neighborhood is old money. The taste of the people is restraint and modest. There are BMWs and Mercedes in the neighborhood but the homeowners prefer driving their old collectibles like the Model T Ford, 1930's Rolls Royce and Mercedes.





2 influential architects responsible for the cutting edge projects in Irvine during the last decades reside in Floral Park. The character of this neighborhood is what inspired the thinking of architects, builders and planners on the Irvine Ranch.





The neighborhood was much larger but the Freeway 5 bisected this neighborhood into 2 sections. The Eastern of freeway 5 section is Park Santiago. The West section is still Floral Park. The obscured and hard to find locations spared them from the greedy builders and developers for the last 5 decades. Shea home built some $1.4 million Mc Mansions on the outskirt of the neighborhood but claim them as Floral Park executive homes. They are not selling well at all.





In Park Santiago, there are several historic Victorian homes on Valencia Street. They were built during the 1880's and impeccably maintained with beautiful garden and pools.



In Floral Park pedigree architecture and canopy trees line several key streets. The Italian, Colonial, Southern, French Normandy and Colonial Monterey mansions are on Heliotrope and Victoria. Both Northpark and Riverside have the picturesque style homes like Hansel Gretel, Spanish, East Coast Colonial, Italian country, and fairytale. Porches, dormers and garage at the rear with a very long single car width driveway are the common theme that unites the various but different characters of the house. This link is to a home on Heliotrope. Some homes were built in the 1880's and still standing.

<a href="http://www.santaanarealty.com/listings.php?listingid_lis=41&header=1812%20N%20Heliotrope%20Dr&price=1,359,000&PHPSESSID=9a5df98633035b3be8e4a4edc92f19d9">www.santaanarealty.com/listings.php?listingid_lis=41&header=1812%20N%20Heliotrope%20Dr&price=1,359,000&PHPSESSID=9a5df98633035b3be8e4a4edc92f19d9</a>



Many Police patrol this neighborhood because the paycheck signing politicians live there. The neighborhood is very safe and access to this enclave is restricted by many no turn signs and blocked medians. The rest of Santa Ana has a very different reputation and its crime report is often overly sensationalized by the media. Major Criminal case trials are held in Santa Ana even though the crimes were committed at other cities and brought to Santa Ana. Immigrant and Illegal aliens live in Santa Ana near by free city social services and healthcare agencies. Immigration office in downtown is their second home.

Other setbacks in Santa Ana include lowest ranked schools and the lack of good markets and retails. Target, Kohl and Ralph’s recently went in the neighborhood of Floral Park but that is not really enough. Residents of Floral Park have to drive some distance to Tustin or Orange to shop at Whole Foods and Trader Joes. The near by Mainplace is the community asset. The wealthy Santa Ana citizens along with Henry Segerstrom created the High School of the Arts a decade ago. The policy is open enrollment to students from all cities in OC and attracted students from 30 neighboring cities. Admission is very selective based on talent in arts, music, and writing. Test scores of this school ranked slightly below University High and Troy High in Fullerton but ahead of all other Irvine and Tustin High Schools. Very few Asians attend this school. The tuition is free.



Mater Dei, a private High School for the wealthy Newport Beach and Corona Del Mar kids is also in Santa Ana. Test score is confidential due to its private status.



Many live/work lofts and urban high density housing are being built. A well known Pasadena architect designed a project next to the Bower Museum. <a href="http://www.cordobacourtyards.com/">http://www.cordobacourtyards.com/</a>



The tallest office high rise in OC just started construction on Broadway. It will be 34 stories tall.

There is also an artist village in old Downtown. Many art galleries occupy old brick buildings and warehouses. Cal State Fullerton has its Art Gallery and school there.



Orange County has only a small handful of historic places. It is the die hard citizens who for many years cared and fought for the survival of these neighborhoods. They have the economic mobility to move to places like Newport Beach or Irvine. However, they chose to stay and they are truly the guardians who keep the history and culture of Orange County alive.

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<p>bkshopr, </p>

<p>I am shock at your detail knowledge of Santa Ana, particularly Floral Park. You're right about this neighborhood being well hidden. I used to live there and didn't even know it existed. </p>

<p>I recently found it because I was lost heading to the Main Place. </p>
 
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