Common Core Standards

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Tyler Durden said:
For $100M, you could probably buy most data centers!  That's nuts.  I wonder if they are building SkyNet?

More like "SpyNet."  Actually, it is called the "Shared Learning Collaborative (SLC)" aka "inBloom"... yep, sounds like SkyNet. 

It is mostly funded by Bill Gates, so of course you know it must be hack-proof.  And Gates, as a college drop-out, is of course an expert on "college ready" education.

Yes, $100M could pay for a lot of teachers, school upgrades, etc.  If the nationwide parent uproar over SLC continues (as it should), it could also be the most expensive database that never gets used.
 
abcd1234 said:
I saw my child's teacher the other day and asked about the testing for Algebra for qualified 7th graders.  His answer was a little conflicted, probably due to the uncertainty of it all.  Like one of the previous posters said, students will have to do a common core 7th grade and 8th grade curriculums.  But then on the other hand, he said conflicting statements like "California is still committed to trying to have Algebra in 8th grade".  He did say there is probably maybe 3% of the students who will be able to take Algebra in 7th grade.

Thanks for sharing this.  They are "committed to trying"?  As Yoda said, "Do or Do not. There is no try."

California is so committed that, after 15 years of having algebra in 8th grade, they passed legislation in February abandoning this to join the lower Common Core standards.  Even if Algebra is still taught or available, it won't be tested in the Common Core tests until 9th.  In CA, teachers have been trained to "teach to the test," so how will Algebra success be measured prior to 9th grade if it is not "on the test"? Seems like it won't be.

Too bad, as Algebra I is the single best predictor of college success (Loveless, 2008).

3% must be the new "Uncommon Core."

Nothing, however, prevents your kids from learning Algebra at home or in tutoring, does it?  Oh wait, there probably will be law against that too. 
 
Tyler Durden said:
abcd1234 said:
I totally agree with you on the Math and "explaining" how to go about solving the problem versus just calculating the problem and giving the correct answer.  My kids have already been having to "explain" their logic- and it's so silly and a waste of time.  If they know how to calculate it correctly, they already have the logic/thinking to do this.  Why waste time writing it out.

For more complicated problems, there may not be anything wrong with showing the logic or showing the work used to get the answer.  But this should not count more than getting the correct answer.

We read somewhere where a Common Core kid was supposed to describe how he got the answer for "2+2=4"... his answer was: "math".  Classic!

The country has bigger issues than government shutdown and obamacare if 7th graders are being tested on whether they know 2+2=4!

You are right, but that wasn't 7th grade.  FYI, Common Core starts in Kindergarten. 
 
This got to be some sort of a revenge conspiracy strategy employed by the neighboring Santa Ana school district to take away the bragging right of IUSD. I am sure there are other avenues that schools could participate to bring notorieties such as Academic decatholons, science Olympiad, spelling bees, national merit scholars and etc. Wait a minute! All those competitions require social interaction and teamwork. What are we going to do? Can we send our kids to social tutoring classes?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
Can we send our kids to social tutoring classes?
Facebook has killed in-person social interaction... and created a TV show for SoCal.

Actually, facebook is codifying junior high clique behavior and social aggression and provides a scoreboard counted by 'friends', 'followers', 'likes' and wall comments.

 
Tyler Durden said:
As far as internet surveilance, they are going to do that whether you are OK with it or not.  I just don't lose any sleep over things beyond my control.

I'm definitely aware of the terms & conditions of most sites specifically excluding minors, but we both know the majority of internet traffic not dedicated toward email or porn is likely consumed by tweens looking for one direction dirt or info on the next twilight.  That and helping the nigerian princes.

The point i was making is that the kids are (more likely than not) already putting their own personal info out on the internet for the world to see at that age.

Actually, this is in our control and we should lose sleep about the future of our young people, even those who do not have school-aged kids -- our children are our future.  There are federal lawsuits already pending on this and parents, schools and states are fighting back around the country.

Sorry, not sure about your kids, but our kids are not posting their personal medical info, attendance and school scores, etc. on the open Internet and most kids 5-12 yrs. are not either.  If some parents do not want to monitor and control what their kids' do and post online, that is their choice.  But SCHOOLS cannot take this data, without parental permission, and provide it in ways and to parties which may violate FERPA.

Let's see what happens, but pretty sure this Common Core database is not going to fly just about anywhere in the country.
 
Yep! said:
nosuchreality said:
The common core standard are here http://www.corestandards.org/

And for parents who want to learn the truth about Common Core, watch this video series which is pretty good:http://www.educationstrategiesgroup.org/common-core-part1/

These three moms maintain a site which is pretty up to date on the latest protests around the country:http://whatiscommoncore.wordpress.com/

So I can either think Bill and Melinda Gates are on the right track to up school requirements and support common core

or

I can side with Michele Bachmann and think it's an evil socialist managed economy plan...


 
nosuchreality said:
So I can either think Bill and Melinda Gates are on the right track to up school requirements and support common core

or

I can side with Michele Bachmann and think it's an evil socialist managed economy plan...

"up school requirements"?  If you've been reading up on this, you'll see that the requirements are clearly "down" compared to California's (and Massachusetts' and Texas' and other states') existing requirements.  California passed a law in February to "down" the requirements for Algebra to to match Common Core's lesser requirements.

As we said in a previous post, the uproar against Common Core isn't limited to one political side.  States like New York, Maryland, Delaware and Massachusetts aren't exactly bastions of the "right wing conspiracy," yet they have a groundswell of protesting parents, teachers and schools coming out strongly against Common Core.

Experts HIRED by Common Core to validate it, including a Stanford PhD math professor, couldn't endorse the program and have become some of its biggest opponents.

Read some of Diane Ravitch's stuff... again, not exactly right wing....http://dianeravitch.net/

On the other side, you have Jeb Bush as one of the strongest supporters of Common Core in the nation.  So, I guess you want to side with the Bush family?

And yes, the Gates Foundation has failed pretty miserably at just about every attempt at doing something in education, Gates himself has admitted as much:http://www.jointhefuture.org/blog/333-the-gates-foundation-exposed-part-ihttp://www.sociology.org/featured/bill-gates-idiot-recipe-educational-failure

So, just trust a college drop-out to design our college-ready educational standards and to collect privacy data on our children?

After you spend some time researching this issue as we have, you can see why Common Core makes little sense to folks from across the political spectrum.
 
Yep! said:
So, just trust a college drop-out to design our college-ready educational standards and to collect privacy data on our children?

Pathetic rhetoric.  Bill Gates is extremely successful.  It really sticks in the education establishment's craw that many of our most successful people bail on the education system because the education system is failed.


There are many reasons to oppose common core, but the hyperbole is the mindless drones of anti-government and mindnumb status-quo education system.

Every one of your links is the same, fallacy argument of personal attacks and fear mongering.
 
Oh my, I see that the Common Core backlash has hit TI. 

I highly recommend reading the Times Magazine article that was released a couple weeks ago on the Common Core.http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2152412,00.html

Don't fear the common core:http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/19/opinion/la-oe-vega-common-core-20130919

I have 2 kids that will be attending Irvine schools, once our home is built.  I have no fear that they will do well on Common Core tests once they get that computer-based test hammered out.

I know we all love the multiple choice or T/F type tests.  But that doesn't really assess how well the students know the information.

I have taken a sample Common Core Test online.  Feel free to play around with it yourself:http://www.smarterbalanced.org/pilot-test/

I really like how it FORCES students to THINK about the answer instead of just choosing C.  Of course, I know IRVINE students don't do that. 

For example, there was a math question about how to solve for an additional 10% on a purchase of $100.  So what should the total bill be?  We all know the final answer is $110.  But that's not what the test wants.

The test forces the students to move the mouse to rearrange a preselected set of information to help prove that $110 is the correct answer.

The students who are looking for $100 x 0.10 ... and then looking for the addition symbol won't get this right. 

The correct answer is simply  $100 x 1.10

I saw a bunch of teachers completely baffled at a test that would do that.  I don't know how you feel about it but to me that makes perfect sense.  After all there was NO option for an addition symbol.  So the only other way was to multiply.

But of course, this also tests if the students understand the multiplication concept of $100 x 1.10

In addition CCSS (Common Core State Standards) requires teachers to understand TPCK (Technological Pedagogical Content Knowledge).  http://www.tpck.org/ 
Some teachers will like it some won't. 

But as a parent, don't give in to the fear.  The unknown is scary but sometimes it's for the best.  Like when the government converted everyone to HD signals. 

Remember our kids will have to work at jobs with technology that hasn't even been invented yet.  They must learn how to think and problem solve.  Common Core is the path to that goal.

What is 21st Century Learning?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5cNlutAys


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Now as for all the CIA, FBI, government stalking etc ... I believe that is misinformation to scare parents away from this change.  Once the computer based test is actually administered and when the test scores will actually count, I think a LOT of schools & states are afraid of how badly they will look because their kids are not up to par with the rest of the world. 

But in Irvine, I having nothing but confidence in our kids.  They will succeed and shine brighter than ever  ;)
 
I don't have any opinion as to common core but I generally believe that people try to do the right things especially when it comes to education so I am inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt.  Programs like this usually take 3-4 years to see the effects.
 
Hi ZeroLot, welcome to the discussion!

Unfortunately, the "Common Core" backlash should have hit TI much sooner.  Our officials metered out very little information for the longest time and only recently began communicating on this, let alone sharing any of the objections or anything from the other side of the argument.  Seems how we got Common Core in CA and in Irvine could be even more troubling than the standards themselves.

Other CA districts have been holding public town hall forums -- Irvine should have one, with equal time to both sides of the issue.  Let the truth come out about how we got Common Core, who developed it, what alternatives there were, whether or not Irvine parents were ever told both sides and asked if they wanted it, etc.  Lots the public doesn't know.

Have you reviewed the standards (not just the sample test questions)?  I have.  For 5th graders currently under the current CA math standards, many of the topics will be repeated again in 6th grade under Common Core...at least one not again until 8th grade.  It's as if the kids all failed 5th grade math and will be held back a grade...putting them almost a year behind where they were.  How is that "more rigorous"?  Maybe for Kentucky. Not for California and certainly not for Irvine.

Kentucky Common Core seems to be a mess, thanks for sharing the (unbiased) Time article.  KY and New York both link teacher evaluations to kids' Common Core test scores.  Perhaps that is coming to CA too?  Wonder how that would go over here?

Try also this Boston Globe op ed:http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...ss-has-more/GMHHU8FdXLwR46qtAM7TgL/story.html

Listen to anything from Dr. Sandra Stotsky (architect of Massachusetts' #1 in the country standards), Dr. Bill Evers, Dr. James Milgram, Ze'ev Wurman, etc.  They are very credible and have been knee-deep in Common Core for the past three years.

If you like having your kids' school data records stored in the CALPADS database, to be extracted and used by a bunch of folks, with collection methods potentially in violation of FERPA, then yes, you'll love the data mining that comes with the Common Core systems.  Also, it seems you cannot opt your kids out of CALPADS (unless you pull them out and send them to private school) and once your child is assigned a "SSID" number (linked to more data than their Social Security number, it seems), it seems it cannot be changed unless there is a "mistake" of some kind, even if compromised:http://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/sp/cl/

Why did Irvine decide on Common Core vs. improving the existing standards?  Federal (which became state) money seems to be the primary factor vs. getting better standards than we already had or could have had.

You like the Smarter Balanced test methods?  Great!  Why not have CA spend a fraction of the ~$2B+ common core price tag for some fancy new STAR tests instead?  Why not make the existing CA standards even better?  You are aware that California's existing standards and STAR tests were already rated, along with Massachusetts standards, as the best in the country, right?  Well, now they are gone in favor of a program that is unproven, experimental and whose standards are lower than what CA already had.  And now we will be without meaningful test data for about three years... Irvine's home prices rise and fall based on the API, it seems.  What now?

Give Irvine parents and taxpayers ALL the information on both sides and use a public process to give folks input.  Then have the elected School Board decide whether or not to adopt it.  Then let voters vote on their School Board members or use the Irvine or CA proposition process if they are not being heard.  Unless, of course, we have abdicated responsibility for our own school standards to federal lobbyists groups and Sacramento politicians (don't be fooled that Common Core was "state led").  We have some pretty smart folks right here in Irvine, we should be able to debate and create our own best standards. 

Per CDE, they say, by state law, IUSD is not obligated to follow Common Core.  We can do as districts across the nation have done or are contemplating, like Manchester, NH just did--they threw out the Common Core in favor of developing their own higher standards.  If $260M can be spent on one school through a public information process and vote of the Board, surely it is worth it to thoughtfully take time to create the best standards for our kids, not accept, without question, unproven standards from D.C.

Our Irvine kids are not "common."  So why should our standards be?
 
Yep! said:
Our Irvine kids are not "common."  So why should our standards be?

This makes absolutely no sense.  Common core does not require every teacher to teach the exact same thing, it just emphasis new way of looking at and solving problems.  Instead of the traditional teaching standards, common core just places importance on new things. 

 
Irvinecommuter said:
Yep! said:
Our Irvine kids are not "common."  So why should our standards be?

This makes absolutely no sense.  Common core does not require every teacher to teach the exact same thing, it just emphasis new way of looking at and solving problems.  Instead of the traditional teaching standards, common core just places importance on new things.

As long as all the rest of the post makes sense, that's fine that you don't like the last two sentences.  Does the process on how we got Common Core make sense to you?  Or the fact that one of the proven, best standards in the country was replaced with lower standards?  Does that make sense?

However, actually, yes, the topics that teachers will be expected to teach will in fact all need to be the same (hence the term "common") across all 45 states in the CCSS "cartel," as they were with the prior CA standards.  The test needs to be the same, as it was with STAR.  That is what is means to have common standards and standard tests.
 
Yep! said:
Irvinecommuter said:
Yep! said:
Our Irvine kids are not "common."  So why should our standards be?

This makes absolutely no sense.  Common core does not require every teacher to teach the exact same thing, it just emphasis new way of looking at and solving problems.  Instead of the traditional teaching standards, common core just places importance on new things.

As long as all the rest of the post makes sense, that's fine that you don't like the last two sentences.  Does the process on how we got Common Core make sense to you?  Or the fact that one of the proven and best standards in the country were replaced with lower standards?  Does that make sense?

However, actually, yes, the topics that teachers will be expected to teach will in fact all need to be the same (hence the term "common") across all 45 states in the CCSS "cartel," as they were with the prior CA standards.  The test needs to be the same, as it was with STAR.  That is what is means to have common standards and standard tests.

Again...nothing in Common Core structure change how effective a teacher is or is not.  California has some of the strongest standards in the country and there is nothing in the common core that weakens that.  Both common core and ELD standards serve as background and guides for a teacher to teach.  It is up to the individual teachers, principals, and districts to fill in the blanks.  California was actually one of the states that led in the creation of the Common Core and it did not get any more money from the Federal government because it was not selected as one of the "Race to the Top" states.

Common Core is actually seen by teachers as more free than the traditional standards for its allowance for teachers to be more creative and have more control over learning process

Common Core is endorsed by the California Teachers' Association, the California State Education Superintendent, the NEA, the California State PTA, and many other education groups in California.
http://www.dailynews.com/social-aff...mon-core-education-overhaul-than-other-states
http://www.edsource.org/today/2013/...r-students-big-opportunity-for-teachers/37065
 
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