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My daughter is a native Californian, 4.52 GPA, 2nd in her class, ASB, campus ministry, Varsity Letters, Company level Ballet dancer, AP in almost every subject…Wait listed at UCSB and flat out rejected at my alma UCLA…Now, to be fair she didn’t want to go to either and would have turned them both down but applied bc I wanted her to. She was accepted at 7 of 8 applications and will go to her first choice anyway. But jeez, what does it take to get into a UC school these days. I’ll admit it…I wouldn’t have stood a chance…🤷🏽‍♂️🙄
Should have sent her to Chadwick :LOL: my USC buddies from Wilson were rich Naples good old boys, not the smartest of the bunch but great guys. The facilities at UCSB are terrible and UCLA is a zoo - she's better off.
 
She didn’t go to Wilson…Private Catholic school but I do know many former and current students and Teachers at Wilson. Water Polo is king there.
 
3.90 GPA seems high for UCR... I mean c'mon... it's Riverside.

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It's not that you need 3.90 GPA to get into UCR. It's because with 3.90 GPA, you can't get into top 6 UCs so you end up at UCR.

But I guess it also depends on the major applied, like MCC said. CS and Engineering require higher GPAs, especially CS because it's a capped major.
 
She didn’t go to Wilson…Private Catholic school but I do know many former and current students and Teachers at Wilson. Water Polo is king there.
Indeed - has been king there for decades, the only power 4A program outside OC back in the day.

I have an interesting tale of admissions of a brother and sister, both at the same ritzy private school in NB (you can guess likely). Both siblings had similar 4.x+ gpa, 35 ACTs. The boy had way more extracurriculars including league recognition in athletics. She is STEM major, he is business. She got in everywhere except Stanford and Ivies, he was waitlisted at UCSB (later admitted). Female STEM is a key differentiator - tell your daughters.
 
I’m sorry to say but STEM education by the UC’s is atrocious. People who succeed in stem careers coming from the UC’s do it with a ton of extra self study. Their curriculum is pretty bad.

Let me put it another way:

UC education is the Eastwood Village of colleges. Way over priced and not quite a trailer park….but not far enough away from one either. Sure if you get a great deal its not a terrible place to live but don’t stretch for it.
 
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I’m sorry to say but STEM education by the UC’s is atrocious. People who succeed in stem careers coming from the UC’s do it with a ton of extra self study. Their curriculum is pretty bad.

Let me put it another way:

UC education is the Eastwood Village of colleges. Way over priced and not quite a trailer park….but not far enough away from one either. Sure if you get a great deal its not a terrible place to live but don’t stretch for it.
I'm sorry to say, but you're wrong.
 
This is what happens when someone doesnt go to college. 😀
That's uncalled for.

I don't have any testimonials on UC but a retired sw engineer at my club had to tutor his daughter studying CS at Cal Poly SLO every weekend as he said the curriculum and teaching was pathetic.
 
I have some friends and acquaintances who graduated from UC’s who have struggled in the tech industry and I’ve interviewed plenty who just straight bomb. *shrug*
Maybe that speaks more about your friends and acquaintances than UC education.

I've had plenty of classmates from Cal who gone one and done well in the tech industry. I've also have had many team members from my experiences at TI, Qualcomm, Broadcom, and a couple of startups, from Cal, UCLA, UCSB, UCSD, and UCI, who performed well at work.

Speaking of interviews, I did interview someone from Michigan with over 20 years of experience who performed badly.

The thing is, personal experiences are very limited and don't speak much for the general.
 
I may catch flak for this but I think someday broad college education may not be as important as it has in the past.

I really believe in the 2 year junior college for general ed (or if your student is ambitious, pile up on AP and summer classes to skip those 2 years) and then some specialized education track after that. And in many cases... just some specialized education course or trade school and that could be good enough for most.

I learned most of my skills in my field during my 3rd year in college (at a job not in the school) and most of what I do now is from work experience and almost zero college education.

If I remember correctly... most of the better money straight out of colleges careers (no post college degree) are in finance (investments slanted) or tech. Most kids out of high school actually know enough to get started in some tech positions (via self taught or the internet)... as for investing... aren't there specific courses for that may not require all that college bruhaha?

And I do believe many kids can benefit from "the college experience" for both social and mental growth... but just like sports players who can make more after 1 (or no) year(s) in college, a lot of what is learned in college for people who are targeting medicine, law or whatever.. is wasted.

From what I've seen, college is more like a buffer zone for kids to figure what they think they want and what they really want. Many of the people I know are working in a field they didn't go to college for. Sometimes I think degrees aren't worth the money they cost.

/shields_up
 
Well, I definitely agree that taking general ed at a 4-year university is a waste of money. My son accumulated enough credits from AP, dual enrollment, and summer class at IVC, to be able to skip one year.
 
I may catch flak for this but I think someday broad college education may not be as important as it has in the past.

I really believe in the 2 year junior college for general ed (or if your student is ambitious, pile up on AP and summer classes to skip those 2 years) and then some specialized education track after that. And in many cases... just some specialized education course or trade school and that could be good enough for most.

I learned most of my skills in my field during my 3rd year in college (at a job not in the school) and most of what I do now is from work experience and almost zero college education.

If I remember correctly... most of the better money straight out of colleges careers (no post college degree) are in finance (investments slanted) or tech. Most kids out of high school actually know enough to get started in some tech positions (via self taught or the internet)... as for investing... aren't there specific courses for that may not require all that college bruhaha?

And I do believe many kids can benefit from "the college experience" for both social and mental growth... but just like sports players who can make more after 1 (or no) year(s) in college, a lot of what is learned in college for people who are targeting medicine, law or whatever.. is wasted.

From what I've seen, college is more like a buffer zone for kids to figure what they think they want and what they really want. Many of the people I know are working in a field they didn't go to college for. Sometimes I think degrees aren't worth the money they cost.

/shields_up
Also a forcing function for growing up and expanding their social capabilities, so crucial as EQ is much more critical to advancement in the workplace than IQ or degree source, though in many companies you won't get interviewed unless you're at a school they do on campus interviews at (how I got my first job). Especially for kids whose junior and senior years in HS were robbed by the lab leak.
 
Well, I definitely agree that taking general ed at a 4-year university is a waste of money. My son accumulated enough credits from AP, dual enrollment, and summer class at IVC, to be able to skip one year.
But why skip a year of that experience which you can't recapture? Being on a college campus is such a unique setting with so many different things to expose yourself to. I will likely take advantage of alumni privileges at USC when retired to sit in on classes and just hang out on campus (with my wife).
 
But why skip a year of that experience which you can't recapture? Being on a college campus is such a unique setting with so many different things to expose yourself to. I will likely take advantage of alumni privileges at USC when retired to sit in on classes and just hang out on campus (with my wife).
What experience? 3 years or 4 years of college experience, what's the difference? It's different from you either have or don't have college life experience.
 
Since my mid-20s I have been a believer that a 4 year education is a waste of time. The two year specialized degree is the way to go.
 
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