changing in contract

NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
actually it is not a show stopper jim jones. after doing a net net on the townhouse it was only 388k not too shabby for a brand new two bedroom irvine townhoues. with a low interest rate of about 5.5% lower if you go fix 30. comparable resell in the same area are asking 418k and that was the lowest one that matched sqft and ammenties and zip. just my opinion.
 
<p>Jbatzmaru, 5K should not be deal breaker if you want to move into this place. I think you understand that the money is "potential" rather than real loss out of your pocket. I know that you want to re-lock your loan but I am not sure what if any Fannie Mae has anything to say about that. </p>

<p>I still think it is a hard argument to make for you to go to Lennar and say that I should have been able to re-lock. It is just a tough sell. Lennar may be afraid that if you want to re-lock, there may be issues with the new loan and lead to problems down the line. That is not an unreasonable fear in light of the current mortgage situation. </p>

<p> </p>

<p> </p>
 
<i>"The sales agent said that lennar is not making a single cent on this deal."</i><p>

In this market, Lennar should kiss the feet of any buyer who is making a deal that Lennar is not taking a loss on.
 
who says buying a home isn't emotional? Wow! I'd keep some perspective on this deal... it seems like you are arguing over less than 1% of the transaction? What will you do if prices get reduced this fall, say, 25-30K? Run back to the builder and complain? Are you going to do one of those pointless protests, like people in VoC did earlier last year? PS - when you are thinking about rates... try googling the Chicago mortgage futures before you decide to "lock." It might help you decide the best time to act.



Just try to keep a few things in mind: (1) nobody can time the bottom of the market (2) be glad that no matter what, you weren't buying at the top, and (3) whether or not this a home you actually want to live in. This isn't like shopping for a TV on CNET.com... a "best deal ever" cannot be planned - only a good/fair/sensible deal can.



Look, go for a jog, clear your mind, and decide what to do. It sounds like you found a good place. Congrats if you get it, and congrats if you don't.
 
<em>you can relock your rate anytime you want. you can and it is possible. don't believe them. i have worked in the loan industry. the only reason they don't want to is that they lose money. since they got you in a higher rate. i use to do second and third loan and it was a shady business and i known people who qualify for say 9% but we told them no you only qualify for 15% and that was that.





</em>First off, you are talking about two different worlds of lending. And, second, the whole lending world has gone through a very dramatic change, and anyone who has worked in the industry prior to last week, wouldn't know all the constantly changing guidelines. A second mortgage with a way higher rate than par, to get the YSP on the back end, is a whole lot different than a Fannie Mae conforming loan at a rate 5.5%. So, you want them to either A.) have them eat $5k, that really isn't your money to begin with, or B.) have them move lower on the rate sheet, or C.) have them relock your loan at current market? With A.) they should tell you to go pound sand. They already got an exception for the HOAs, and that probably cost them to do that. And, it is Lennar's money, not yours. With B.) Again, you want them to eat money, that they have probably already eaten for you for the HOA exception? And, knowing of the lending changes, they would have to get the loan re-underwritten, so your HOA exception will no longer be valid. With C.) a relock costs money, and you wouldn't get your $5k worth, so they are not going to do it. Again, your HOA exception would no longer apply.





<em>so they offer me my deposit back less any third party fees. so the ball is now in my court.





</em>Not really. When they actually have the guts to offer a deposit back, it is a sign that they would rather try to sell the home to someone else than deal with you. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but saying that, is the last thing they want to say. It offers way too much opportunity for you to say yes. So, either they were hoping you said yes, or they now know the ball is in their court.





The money wasn't your money in the first place, it was Lennar's. You chose to lock your rate when you did, not with your money, but Lennar's. So, you want Lennar to give you money, that they already spent on you? They made a mistake, they fixed it, and it probably already cost them, so you should be happy, not greedy. Like GrewUpInIrvine said, what are you going to do, when they drop the price $25-$75k to make the quarter end numbers? Will you want them to give you a bestbuy gift card for that amount?





Buying a new home is stressful. You need to decide when to lock your loan, lending guidelines change, and a few construction errors, all of which are part of the process. Unfortunately, you are not the only one who has had to deal with this. But, I think you are making it more stressful than it should be, especially when it is not your money being lost here.
 
UPDATE>>>>



fell out of escrow. got my deposit back less 1300 dollar for 3rd party fee. oh well... that sucks... i really like the places too but UAMC left a bad taste and i would think really hard in buying from LENNAR if they force me into dealing with UAMC again.



Thanks everyone.....
 
Jbatzmuru,



I'm currious. Fell out of escrow due to your decision to not proceed?



Please update us when you do purchase. Hopefully this will turn out to have been a blessing in disguise.
 
jabtz just get a nice apartment in irvine to reduce your commute time and you will be able to buy there in a year or two in the resale market for a cheaper price. Good luck and thanks for sharing. Im curious like Jim J - your call or theirs?
 
i called it quits. since i ask for a lower rate because the rate has dropped and they won't give it to me since i locked my rate in on 12/18 and paid 12k for the buy down but in todays market it only cost 7k to buy down and lock in at the same rate. told them to either give me the lower rate or give me 5k in concession and they refuse. they made the offer of giving me back my deposit less 3rd party fee and i took it.



cambridge lane by lyons is selling similar 2 bedroom townhouse 1300sqft for 412k with a 15k in closing which i can use for whatever i want such as price reduction. I was floor when lennar said that they are willing to let me have my deposit back less any third party fee. i am guessing 1) they are losing too much and can't go any further or two they have someone else ready to buy.



i guess i am going to keep looking around.



i read somewhere on this blog that some real estate agent was willing to do a split of the 3% broker commission. does anybody have that tread?



Thanks.
 
Believe it or not, it probably is good news in the long run. I'm glad that you were able to cut the loss before it got too crazy. And besides, you'll be 10x more prepared the next time around - when prices will likely be more favorable.
 
It is always interesting to find the "walk away" point in a negotiation. Sellers usually have a "not less than" price and will hold to it. I often make very low offers for clients and sellers will let qualified motivated buyers walk for amounts that seem minor. Sometimes it is ego or just feeling 'ground" too far.



One should remember when buying a home verse an investment that you live in the house-not the deal or incentive.



Time will tell if it was worth a few thousand to walk from a purchase if all other aspects fit the buyer's needs.



Enjoy!
 
i guess the lesson of buying a first home cost me 1300 dollars. i went though all the steps except for depositing my downpayment and closing which was the easy part. all i got to say was it was a stressful buying your first home.
 
<p><em>"One should remember when buying a home verse an investment that you live in the house-not the deal or incentive."</em></p>

<p>xsclm - Many, many folks say this, but don't cha think that the house we buy is not only the house we live in, but also one of the larger investments most of make in our lifetime. It may be best to realize that a real estate purchase is both a home to live in and an investment and not deny either factor in the decision making process. And most people do not live in the house they purchase forever, so it turns out the deal is an important factor in the long run.</p>
 
awgee



You are correct.

Buying a home to live in has two parts that are of concern: the emotional portion of finding the right location, floorplan, neighborhood, schools and the best deal that you can get at the time.



We just made another offer on a short sale slightly under the list price but $200K under last new comps in South oc. Still making those low offers until we get our client a good deal. Banks may be less emotional than the last seller who didn't even counter.



Enjoy!
 
wow jb... you are a typical bad buyer... you had no idea about loans and anything else and you blame lennar and UMAC for that. you lock a rate, that means you lock it. it will cost you to change it. period. you shuld have gotten a third party opinion before locking... next you'll blame them for the ARM reset in three years... in this market u shouldn't lock until 15 or 20 days in... like others said you would have come back in 6 months and say the intrest ist lower again, the house is cheaper now, the grass is greener now, the neigbour smells bad....



you should be very thankful for getting out that cheap and hats off to lennar for doing that !



it sounds like you are better off not getting the place anyway... if you just look at the money and not the home it's not the right time to buy. the only reason to buy right now is because you LOVE the place. not beacuse its "cheap"... buying a home these days ist just like buying a car or computer... as soon as you buy it you will see one cheaper somewhere else...



for you next home make sure that you are SURE you want the home ! again hats off to lennar....
 
flmgrip- oh stop praising lennar..... they would not let me get off that easy if they didn't do anything wrong. think about it. they knew well in advance of the fannie mae change on 12/4 but did not tell me about it until i lock in my rate and 2 weeks from closing. so they waited until i sign the final loan dock which was on 1/5 before they told me about the potential problem. Now if they told me before and been upfront about it i would not have locked in the rates.



Anyways... i do love the place but in this market if lennar is willing to scrap the deal for less then 5k then so be it. i got the money and i got the fico score and i can go full docs and verified my income so i am not worry about qualifying for another house. i waited 4 years already and waiting another year won't break me.



As for being a bad buyer..... i guess that is your opinion. locking in rate and unlocking rate is no big deal. if the rate drops then unlock the rate for the buyer and relock and help your customer out. This is after all a buyer's market right? I remember back in 2004-2005 when i was looking at new home out in corona and how the builder treated the buyer........ pay back is a biotch.....
 
I think part of the problem going forward will be that most builders and their lenders, escrow, etc, have laid off so many people, especially the more experienced ones due to pay level, that all aspects of the buying and customer service process will be affected. Many of my friends in that business have been laid off or are doing the work of 2 or 3 people.



This usually happen during turndowns. The more informed that you are as a consumer the better off you will be in a purchase.



Maybe some of the other posters that either now or have in the past been in the new home industry can add to this.



Enjoy!
 
Back
Top