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I wholeheartedly agree. You seem to have me mistaken with somebody that cares about Irvine schools. My comment was directed at this area of Garden Grove specifically, and I was thinking more along the lines of Elementary and Middle school award winners, but I suppose High School award winners qualify as well. Many students in north OC transfer between high schools in their district or to other districts, so I don't consider living near a good high school as important as a good elementary school.
Your comment strikes me as evidence that TalkIrvine is in dire need of diversity. I've never commented on any of the Irvine school threads to voice support or disdain for Irvine schools, yet you frame a discussion about Garden Grove schools in those terms.
You'll find random interjections of Musick Jail, the landfill, IPD corruption, IUSD critiques etc throughout his posts and you shouldn't think of it as a reflection on yourself or TalkIrvine as a whole.
I don't feel the same as you with regards to TalkIrvine being in "dire need of diversity". There are plenty of anti-Irvinites here... even some that actually live in Irvine.
You're right. I shouldn't have been so quick to throw others under the bus for the actions of one individual. I'm still getting a feel for this community and it's easy to think of people you don't know as all being from the same viewpoint. So far though, I've mainly witnessed IndieDev as the lone voice of dissent on many threads. I don't think people necessarily need to be pro-Irvine or anti-Irvine, and I don't belong to either camp. Maybe we can all admit that Irvine has some good qualities AND bad qualities. I've spent a lot of time in Irvine without having lived there and had the opportunity to witness both the good and the bad.
In the late 90's, visited some friends at UCI and we stopped by Jamba Juice on Harvard and Main (plaza next to Villa Coronado)? While drinking our drinks and enjoying a cigarette outside, saw 3 black teens minding their own business, walking in the plaza and a cop pulled up and started questioning them. My friend that went to UCI said, "yeah, you never really see a group of black guys here...guess that's what happens when you do."
IPD: Can I see your driver's license?
Me: I don't have it.
IPD: Why? You don't drive a car?
Me: Yes, I drive... but I don't have it on me because I'm on my way to play basketball so I don't have my wallet with me.
IPD: Where do you live... do you live in Irvine?
Me: Yes... but why are you asking me so many questions?
IPD: Uh... there was a report of a car theft so we're stopping everyone.
And we weren't in a rice rocket... my friend was driving a crappy Hyundai (the really cheap one). And while I was irritated at them... I'm not going to complain because random stuff like that (even if one thinks it was racially slanted) gives me some peace of mind.
One man's police misconduct could be a Rodney King (or sadly worse, Kelly Thomas)... but another could actually be preventing a crime. Sometimes you have to give up a little to get a little.
I think this is key to the profiling technique being used. You were a minority, but you were also in a crappy vehicle. I should say that I don't think brown people driving a new Benz are as likely to be pulled over. They look like they belong.
I have one friend that is Mexican and was stopped across from UCI, told to sit on the curb, had his vehicle searched, and was never given a reason. They let him go with no explanation. He drove an older Ford Bronco. This was in the late 90's and he worked at the music store that used to be there.. Sam Goody or Blockbuster Music, whatever. I told him he should have asked for the officer's badge number and reported him, but my friend just looked at me like I was crazy. I was speaking from the perspective of a stupid white kid. The last thing you want to do is mess with an officer that is harrassing you. They have all the power.
Another friend that is Mexican and drove an older model Nissan was pulled over 5 times on Jeffrey and was always let go. The most he ever got was a fix it ticket for a burnt out tail light. His girlfriend lived near IVC, so the stops always happened in the short distance between the 405 and IVC. This was IPD's way of sending a message to those that don't belong.
I disagree that this is the way to prevent crime. It might be effective, but it creates an environment of fear amongst a certain population that has just as much right to travel through Irvine as the rest of us. Isn't it the job of police to create a sense of security for everybody, not just those that can afford new vehicles? Maybe it's not just reserved for minorities either, but I don't know anybody that is white that has been harrassed in this manner, including myself.
I have had a similar experience in Torrance. Driving through Torrance in a friends older crappy car (not riced out) and was pulled over. I was taken out of the car, hands up, lift your shirt (to see if I had a gun in my waistband). I was then searched and sat on the curb while they tossed the car and ran my drivers license.
During that time, two more police cars pull up. After tossing the car (no weapons or other things) they had a discussion to themselves and then approached me. The officers told me to go stand against a wall and then they proceeded to take pictures of me. After they were done, they made me sit on the curb again. I was freaking out because I had never been in trouble with the law, ever, and I was doing nothing but driving home.
By this time 45 minutes had passed since they pulled me over. I asked what is going on and was told to be quiet and not speak. As I sat there and they talked amongst themselves, another officer pulled up and this time it was an Asian officer. He looked at me as he walked up to them and began talking with them. I could not hear what they were saying but the Asian officer looked at me again and all the officers turned and looked at me. I was thinking oh crap, what is happening now.... So the officers approached me again and the Asian officer asked me: "Are you Asian?" (I am mixed so I looked Hispanic back then). I said I am half asian and white. Suddenly the officers looked more relaxed. A few minutes later I was told I could get up. A few officers got in their car and left. A few more minutes later I was handed back my license and told I could go. No ticket, no explanation, nothing.
I asked the Asian officer why I was pulled over and he said there was a burglary a few blocks away and I somewhat fit the description (the direction he was pointing was the OPPOSITE direction I was coming from when I got pulled over). I then asked what is going to happen to the pictures they took of me and was told the pictures will go into their mug shot book. WTF!
A few years later, I became friends with a ranking officer at the Torrance PD and he told me that after a few years, if an officer does not have their head screwed on tight, they begin to feel that anyone that is not a cop is a criminal in some way since they deal with the dredge of the earth as part of their job. He said to stay sane and not fall into that trap he spends his spare time doing community activities with regular citizens rather than spend extracurricular time with other officers. It reminds him that there are good people out there.
The Motor Court Company
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plan 4 is very interesting. only 1 unit. Is it sold already or reserved for some inner circle?
irvinehomeshopper
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Plan 4 as illustrated on the site plan does not have a garage access. It is dedicated as a clubhouse adjacent to the spa. This corner is very visible from street and this iconic unit is an excellent advertising window.
http://www.livecenturyvillage.com/site-plan/
http://www.livecenturyvillage.com/site-plan/
Liar Loan
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I'm curious about the "award winning schools" in that area. That seems to be a real stretcher on their part, unless they mean transferring to the schools 2-3 miles down the freeway.
I'll be curious to see what these sell for. That part of garden grove has diverse pricing. SFR's go anywhere from $300,000 - $750,000 depending on the block and neighborhood. The site says starting from the low $400,000's which I take to mean starting at $449,900... LOL. Most of the city politicians live in the nice communities near Gilbert St. It's not a bad area, but not perfect either.
I'll be curious to see what these sell for. That part of garden grove has diverse pricing. SFR's go anywhere from $300,000 - $750,000 depending on the block and neighborhood. The site says starting from the low $400,000's which I take to mean starting at $449,900... LOL. Most of the city politicians live in the nice communities near Gilbert St. It's not a bad area, but not perfect either.
irvinehomeshopper
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I know this concept is difficult to grasp but there are good schools outside of Irvine where homes nearby are $300k. The probability of getting into the Ivies are just as good as the Irvine schools but without a premium pricetag. It is a huge disappointment like Indie has pointed out the odds are lousy that many Irvine students end up in some UC institutions with similar odds from several Garden Grove High Schools.
Here is a list of Silver medalists published in OC Register taken from the US News where Bolsa Grande, Garden Grove HS and La Quinta all GGUSD made the list among Northwood, Woodbridge and Irvine HS:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/st1-201121-high-city.html
Bolsa Grande High, Garden Grove
Brea Olinda High, Brea
CoronaDelMar High, Newport Beach
CypressHigh, Cypress
Dana Hills High, DanaPoint
Esperanza High, Anaheim
Foothill High, Santa Ana
Fountain ValleyHigh, Fountain Valley
Garden GroveHigh, Garden Grove
IrvineHigh, Irvine
La Quinta High, Westminster
Los Alamitos High, Los Alamitos
Los Amigos High, Fountain Valley
Middle College High, Santa Ana
Newport Harbor High, Newport Beach
Northwood High, Irvine
Orange County High School Of The Arts, Santa Ana
Troy High, Fullerton
Villa Park High, Villa Park
Woodbridge High, Irvine
Here is a list of Silver medalists published in OC Register taken from the US News where Bolsa Grande, Garden Grove HS and La Quinta all GGUSD made the list among Northwood, Woodbridge and Irvine HS:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/st1-201121-high-city.html
Bolsa Grande High, Garden Grove
Brea Olinda High, Brea
CoronaDelMar High, Newport Beach
CypressHigh, Cypress
Dana Hills High, DanaPoint
Esperanza High, Anaheim
Foothill High, Santa Ana
Fountain ValleyHigh, Fountain Valley
Garden GroveHigh, Garden Grove
IrvineHigh, Irvine
La Quinta High, Westminster
Los Alamitos High, Los Alamitos
Los Amigos High, Fountain Valley
Middle College High, Santa Ana
Newport Harbor High, Newport Beach
Northwood High, Irvine
Orange County High School Of The Arts, Santa Ana
Troy High, Fullerton
Villa Park High, Villa Park
Woodbridge High, Irvine
Liar Loan said:
Liar Loan
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irvinehomeshopper said:
I wholeheartedly agree. You seem to have me mistaken with somebody that cares about Irvine schools. My comment was directed at this area of Garden Grove specifically, and I was thinking more along the lines of Elementary and Middle school award winners, but I suppose High School award winners qualify as well. Many students in north OC transfer between high schools in their district or to other districts, so I don't consider living near a good high school as important as a good elementary school.
Your comment strikes me as evidence that TalkIrvine is in dire need of diversity. I've never commented on any of the Irvine school threads to voice support or disdain for Irvine schools, yet you frame a discussion about Garden Grove schools in those terms.
irvinehomeowner
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I'm under the assumption you are not aware of IHS' true identity therefore you should know that he tends to be negative towards Irvine whether you like Irvine or not.Liar Loan said:
You'll find random interjections of Musick Jail, the landfill, IPD corruption, IUSD critiques etc throughout his posts and you shouldn't think of it as a reflection on yourself or TalkIrvine as a whole.
I don't feel the same as you with regards to TalkIrvine being in "dire need of diversity". There are plenty of anti-Irvinites here... even some that actually live in Irvine.
Liar Loan
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irvinehomeowner said:
You're right. I shouldn't have been so quick to throw others under the bus for the actions of one individual. I'm still getting a feel for this community and it's easy to think of people you don't know as all being from the same viewpoint. So far though, I've mainly witnessed IndieDev as the lone voice of dissent on many threads. I don't think people necessarily need to be pro-Irvine or anti-Irvine, and I don't belong to either camp. Maybe we can all admit that Irvine has some good qualities AND bad qualities. I've spent a lot of time in Irvine without having lived there and had the opportunity to witness both the good and the bad.
irvinehomeowner
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No city is perfect... test would have you believe that Tustin Legacy is the utopia that puts Irvine to shame.
And while I joke that Irvine is the Land of Unicorns... it does have many faults... prices are too high, lots are too small and no combo Chinese Food/Donut place.
I would gladly live in a South County city if it weren't so far from work... and good pick-up basketball games.
And while I joke that Irvine is the Land of Unicorns... it does have many faults... prices are too high, lots are too small and no combo Chinese Food/Donut place.
I would gladly live in a South County city if it weren't so far from work... and good pick-up basketball games.
Liar Loan
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I would also list police misconduct as a drawback. Driving while brown can be a criminal offense when trying to keep property values high. Years ago, IPD were harrassing Asian students at UCI for driving around in rice rockets, but they seem to have given up on that losing battle. Don't even bother driving in Irvine if you are Mexican. You will be harrassed. Of course, it's all justified with anti-gang rhetoric to remind everyone of the low crime rate in Irvine. Will Ferrell brought national attention to the tactics of the Irvine PD by doing an SNL sketch on the matter. Not bad for a bedroom community.
MovingOnUp
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Liar Loan said:
In the late 90's, visited some friends at UCI and we stopped by Jamba Juice on Harvard and Main (plaza next to Villa Coronado)? While drinking our drinks and enjoying a cigarette outside, saw 3 black teens minding their own business, walking in the plaza and a cop pulled up and started questioning them. My friend that went to UCI said, "yeah, you never really see a group of black guys here...guess that's what happens when you do."
irvinehomeowner
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I believe I've told this story on the IHB before because I was a harassee many many moons ago. On my way to play basketball... and was grilled by IPD for not having my driver's license with me. The kicker was... I wasn't even the driver. If I can recall the conversation was something like:Liar Loan said:
IPD: Can I see your driver's license?
Me: I don't have it.
IPD: Why? You don't drive a car?
Me: Yes, I drive... but I don't have it on me because I'm on my way to play basketball so I don't have my wallet with me.
IPD: Where do you live... do you live in Irvine?
Me: Yes... but why are you asking me so many questions?
IPD: Uh... there was a report of a car theft so we're stopping everyone.
And we weren't in a rice rocket... my friend was driving a crappy Hyundai (the really cheap one). And while I was irritated at them... I'm not going to complain because random stuff like that (even if one thinks it was racially slanted) gives me some peace of mind.
One man's police misconduct could be a Rodney King (or sadly worse, Kelly Thomas)... but another could actually be preventing a crime. Sometimes you have to give up a little to get a little.
Liar Loan
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irvinehomeowner said:
I think this is key to the profiling technique being used. You were a minority, but you were also in a crappy vehicle. I should say that I don't think brown people driving a new Benz are as likely to be pulled over. They look like they belong.
I have one friend that is Mexican and was stopped across from UCI, told to sit on the curb, had his vehicle searched, and was never given a reason. They let him go with no explanation. He drove an older Ford Bronco. This was in the late 90's and he worked at the music store that used to be there.. Sam Goody or Blockbuster Music, whatever. I told him he should have asked for the officer's badge number and reported him, but my friend just looked at me like I was crazy. I was speaking from the perspective of a stupid white kid. The last thing you want to do is mess with an officer that is harrassing you. They have all the power.
Another friend that is Mexican and drove an older model Nissan was pulled over 5 times on Jeffrey and was always let go. The most he ever got was a fix it ticket for a burnt out tail light. His girlfriend lived near IVC, so the stops always happened in the short distance between the 405 and IVC. This was IPD's way of sending a message to those that don't belong.
I disagree that this is the way to prevent crime. It might be effective, but it creates an environment of fear amongst a certain population that has just as much right to travel through Irvine as the rest of us. Isn't it the job of police to create a sense of security for everybody, not just those that can afford new vehicles? Maybe it's not just reserved for minorities either, but I don't know anybody that is white that has been harrassed in this manner, including myself.
davenlei
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irvinehomeowner said:
I have had a similar experience in Torrance. Driving through Torrance in a friends older crappy car (not riced out) and was pulled over. I was taken out of the car, hands up, lift your shirt (to see if I had a gun in my waistband). I was then searched and sat on the curb while they tossed the car and ran my drivers license.
During that time, two more police cars pull up. After tossing the car (no weapons or other things) they had a discussion to themselves and then approached me. The officers told me to go stand against a wall and then they proceeded to take pictures of me. After they were done, they made me sit on the curb again. I was freaking out because I had never been in trouble with the law, ever, and I was doing nothing but driving home.
By this time 45 minutes had passed since they pulled me over. I asked what is going on and was told to be quiet and not speak. As I sat there and they talked amongst themselves, another officer pulled up and this time it was an Asian officer. He looked at me as he walked up to them and began talking with them. I could not hear what they were saying but the Asian officer looked at me again and all the officers turned and looked at me. I was thinking oh crap, what is happening now.... So the officers approached me again and the Asian officer asked me: "Are you Asian?" (I am mixed so I looked Hispanic back then). I said I am half asian and white. Suddenly the officers looked more relaxed. A few minutes later I was told I could get up. A few officers got in their car and left. A few more minutes later I was handed back my license and told I could go. No ticket, no explanation, nothing.
I asked the Asian officer why I was pulled over and he said there was a burglary a few blocks away and I somewhat fit the description (the direction he was pointing was the OPPOSITE direction I was coming from when I got pulled over). I then asked what is going to happen to the pictures they took of me and was told the pictures will go into their mug shot book. WTF!
A few years later, I became friends with a ranking officer at the Torrance PD and he told me that after a few years, if an officer does not have their head screwed on tight, they begin to feel that anyone that is not a cop is a criminal in some way since they deal with the dredge of the earth as part of their job. He said to stay sane and not fall into that trap he spends his spare time doing community activities with regular citizens rather than spend extracurricular time with other officers. It reminds him that there are good people out there.
irvinehomeowner
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@liarloan:
While we are doing anecdotes... I have seen on several occasions non-ethnic (PC for "white"?) people pulled over by IPD. Of course, the subjects in question were dressed "gangsta' style" (ie "pants on the ground") so I'm not sure if current day IPD profiles just by race alone anymore.
I was also pulled over at 2am during my "club" days for a non-working tail light and there were a variety of reasons why the IPD could have hassled me more:
1. It was not my car.
2. The car's owner was passed out drunk in the back seat
3. I looked like trouble (worse than the basketball pull over)
4. The car was sorta rice rocket
But I guess it must have been my smooth demeanor (?) because he asked me if I'd been drinking, I told him no (truth) and while I assumed he was going to have me step out to test me... instead he just told me to have my friend get his light fixed and sent me on my way, no ticket and no further questions.
I can't really speak on the most effective way to prevent crime... I can only go on statistics and while it is probably more explained by the demographics in Irvine... numbers show that crime in Irvine is much lower than cities even just next door. I think there was a thread over on OCR where I detailed this and of course the crickets took over because hard data is difficult to argue against.
While we are doing anecdotes... I have seen on several occasions non-ethnic (PC for "white"?) people pulled over by IPD. Of course, the subjects in question were dressed "gangsta' style" (ie "pants on the ground") so I'm not sure if current day IPD profiles just by race alone anymore.
I was also pulled over at 2am during my "club" days for a non-working tail light and there were a variety of reasons why the IPD could have hassled me more:
1. It was not my car.
2. The car's owner was passed out drunk in the back seat
3. I looked like trouble (worse than the basketball pull over)
4. The car was sorta rice rocket
But I guess it must have been my smooth demeanor (?) because he asked me if I'd been drinking, I told him no (truth) and while I assumed he was going to have me step out to test me... instead he just told me to have my friend get his light fixed and sent me on my way, no ticket and no further questions.
I can't really speak on the most effective way to prevent crime... I can only go on statistics and while it is probably more explained by the demographics in Irvine... numbers show that crime in Irvine is much lower than cities even just next door. I think there was a thread over on OCR where I detailed this and of course the crickets took over because hard data is difficult to argue against.
usctrojancpa
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I'm as white as can be and have a good story about getting pulled over too. This was when I was in my mid-20s in my FAST & THE FURIOUS days when I had a fixed up Toyota Supra. I was working in public accounting and was heading to a client in Aliso Viejo on a Tuesday morning at 8:30am traveling south of Aliso Creek (in a suit and tie even). So all of a sudden I see lights and get pulled over. Cop walks up to the driver's side with his hand on his gun. He makes it to the window and the first thing he asks me if I have any weapons in the car. I almost started laughing. He could see that and got pissed. Started asking me what I was doing in Aliso and where I was going. Then he asks me to step out of the car and sit on the curb while he searched my car, including going through my laptop bag. After he finishes he tells me I can go and that I should "slow down around here" and gives me a ticket for no front license plate.
Liar Loan
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying white people don't get pulled over in Irvine. It's just that I haven't heard any stories of white people getting pulled over without probable cause, which would indicate profiling. IHO's example doesn't tell us anything because they may have been speeding or breaking the law in some other way. In USCTrojan's case, it does sound questionable like he found something to cite you for, after you laughed at him.