CCW in the OC

[Irvinecommuter]

Like I've said before, people always say odds of something bad happening to you are 1 in a 1000 or whatever, until you are that one!!!

We should make decisions based upon fears of extremely minor risks. 

Then why do u buy insurance? Same concept. When the gun is being held to your head or someone breaks into your house, you wish you had that gun

You buy insurance because it maintains a certain level of economic stability.  You don't have to buy insurance and just save all the premium for when bad things happen.  Sometimes you will come out on top, but most of time you will lose that bet.  Also, insurance helps spreads out risk amongst a lot of other people so the premium that you pay makes a lot more sense.

Having a gun in the house does not deter crime or decrease your chance of being attacked.  It does increase the odds of accidental shootings and death as well increased likelihood of suicides.  You know what my auto policy doesn't do, increase my chance of getting killed in a car accident.

 

[qwerty]

Like I've said before, people always say odds of something bad happening to you are 1 in a 1000 or whatever, until you are that one!!!

We should make decisions based upon fears of extremely minor risks. 

Then why do u buy insurance? Same concept. When the gun is being held to your head or someone breaks into your house, you wish you had that gun

You buy insurance because it maintains a certain level of economic stability.  You don't have to buy insurance and just save all the premium for when bad things happen.  Sometimes you will come out on top, but most of time you will lose that bet.  Also, insurance helps spreads out risk amongst a lot of other people so the premium that you pay makes a lot more sense.

Having a gun in the house does not deter crime or decrease your chance of being attacked.  It does increase the odds of accidental shootings and death as well increased likelihood of suicides.  You know what my auto policy doesn't do, increase my chance of getting killed in a car accident.

Like I said, insurance and a gun are the same concept. You buy both in the event you are the lucky 1 in a million that has a catastrophic event, one is financial, the other is life saving.

 

[davenlei]

Like I've said before, people always say odds of something bad happening to you are 1 in a 1000 or whatever, until you are that one!!!

We should make decisions based upon fears of extremely minor risks. 

Then why do u buy insurance? Same concept. When the gun is being held to your head or someone breaks into your house, you wish you had that gun

You buy insurance because it maintains a certain level of economic stability.  You don't have to buy insurance and just save all the premium for when bad things happen.  Sometimes you will come out on top, but most of time you will lose that bet.  Also, insurance helps spreads out risk amongst a lot of other people so the premium that you pay makes a lot more sense.

Having a gun in the house does not deter crime or decrease your chance of being attacked.  It does increase the odds of accidental shootings and death as well increased likelihood of suicides.  You know what my auto policy doesn't do, increase my chance of getting killed in a car accident.

Having a gun can deter crime just as much as it can aid in a crime.  In the end a gun is just a tool and it's use is determined by the possessor. 
You stated that a gun can increase the odds of accidental shootings or deaths.  That is true.  With that same thought, a car can increase the odds of accidental crashes ans deaths. 
I disagree that a gun will increase the likelihood of suicides.  It is no more an effective tool for suicide than pills, rope, car, tall building, etc.  The lady (in Orange County) that jumped off the parking structure at my old job several years ago was just as dead from her fall as if she had pulled the trigger to a gun.  It was just as easy too.  She put one foot in front of the other.  She almost took out a bystander because she landed only feet from where they were which really sucks for the innocent people to witness.

This is why I don't generally like getting into these kinds of debates.  People feel very strongly about one side or the other of the issue and there are many statistics or factoids to back up or disprove each side so there is no winning or proving either side with ultimate success.

I started this thread just stating the change of the law and asked which law abiding people are planning on getting their CCW and it has evolved into an opinion and factoid based claim and counter claim of the gun debate.
I am not a gun super enthusiast (although I do like them) but I do believe in the right to self defense (I also have trained in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Judo).  I also believe in following the law and when laws change one way or the other it is interesting to see how it affects society. 

I asked if others here will get a CCW so I think it is fair for me to answer the same question.  Will I apply for a CCW?  Maybe.  I have not decided if I want that potential liability at this time but al least I have a choice now.  Even if I get one, will I carry everywhere I go?  Absolutely not.  I don't fear that something bad will/can happen all the time but again, having the freedom to choose while understanding the responsibility and consequences of my actions is something I feel should be my choice.

 

[iacrenter]

I would like a CCW license mainly for the option of self defense. But the realities of liability, safety, and just comfort make regular carrying a PITA.

 

[qwerty]

ill probably end up applying for one. i dont think ill carry a gun outside the house, too much of a hassle, but good option to have. il get a personalized license plate that says CCW CPA

 

[davenlei]

ill probably end up applying for one. i dont think ill carry a gun outside the house, too much of a hassle, but good option to have. il get a personalized license plate that says CCW CPA

I just read somewhere the Sheriff in San Diego county notified the county board today he was not going to file en banc.  So does that mean all CA counties now need to comply?

 

[davenlei]

My brother in law just called and got an appointment date in August.  They told him the phones have been ringing non-stop since the decision so they are booked out six months and growing.
 

 

[sgip]

I'd much prefer criminals knowing there is a threat of running into an armed responder than the present reality of having the majority of law abiding citizens unarmed.

Here's a little gasoline for the conversational fire: Look up how many gun accidents (not killings or gun related crimes) there were in 2013. Compare that figure to how many teachers have been arrested for sexual assault on one of their students. You'd be surprised just how dangerous a teacher is compared to a firearm, yet we don't ban or regulate them away as some suggest should be done with guns.

 

[furioussugar]

Question for those in the know--  What is the penalty for carrying a concealed registered weapon without a permit? 

 

[davenlei]

Question for those in the know--  What is the penalty for carrying a concealed registered weapon without a permit? 

I am by no means in 'the know' but I believe the first offense (with a legally registered gun you own) with no extenuating circumstances (school zone, etc) is usually a misdemeanor, fine and probation.

Funny thing is concealed carrying certain knives (dagger) is a felony (from what I read), so getting arrested with a gun may be less trouble than a knife in the eyes of the law.  Interesting.....

 

[furioussugar]

So-  what would the penalty difference be if you were carrying a registered gun without a permit and used it for self protection vs. facing the same situation with a permit?  Bottom line-  would the penalty be worth the time/expense, etc of the permit?

 

[davenlei]

Saw yesterday that the California AG is filing an appeal.  This may actually make it to the SCOTUS at this rate and the SCOTUS decision will be applied to the entire nation instead of just CA.  This may get really interesting.