Irvinecommuter
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Mety said:Illogical. That was the word I was looking for, but couldn't remember!
Anyways, I think you are in your own bubble. But that's ok. Most people are.
What bubble are you speaking of?
Mety said:Illogical. That was the word I was looking for, but couldn't remember!
Anyways, I think you are in your own bubble. But that's ok. Most people are.
Mety said:But 1% and 99% are the scientific numbers, not emotions and feelings.
The impact varies state by state with certain areas showing much more rapid increases in hospitalizations. As of Monday, hospitalizations are rising in 47 states, according to data collected by The COVID Tracking Project, and 22 states are seeing their highest numbers of COVID-19 hospitalizations since the pandemic began.
An increase in COVID-19 hospitalizations statewide is also associated with higher mortality, according to a recent study that analyzed the relationship between COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths.
"It's an indicator that you're going to have more deaths from COVID as you see the numbers inch up in the hospital," says Pinar Karaca-Mandic, professor and academic director of the Medical Industry Leadership Institute at the University of Minnesota.
Specifically, Karaca-Mandic's research found that a 1% increase of COVID-19 patients in a state's ICU beds will lead to about 2.8 additional deaths in the next seven days.
She says a statewide level of 20% COVID-19 hospitalizations may not look all that alarming, but that number doesn't capture the constraints on the health care system in adding more ICU beds.
Irvinecommuter said:1) Religion by definition is "illogical"...it requires faith with means belief without factual basis. For example, being a Christian means that you believe an unknown deity made himself a human being and sacrificed himself for to bring everlasting life for the entirety of humanity. There is no "logic" there...you either believe it or not. It is highly personal and impossible to prove.
Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:Illogical. That was the word I was looking for, but couldn't remember!
Anyways, I think you are in your own bubble. But that's ok. Most people are.
What bubble are you speaking of?
Mety said:Irvinecommuter said:1) Religion by definition is "illogical"...it requires faith with means belief without factual basis. For example, being a Christian means that you believe an unknown deity made himself a human being and sacrificed himself for to bring everlasting life for the entirety of humanity. There is no "logic" there...you either believe it or not. It is highly personal and impossible to prove.
Sorry, but that is not Christianity. As much as you try to defend false information, I try to sort out things that can mislead people in Christian faith.
In Christian faith, you believe God because He made Himself known to you. He is not an unknown deity. He made heavens and earth, everything you see around. He made Himself known that way before anything. Then once you realize you're not worthy to be with such a powerful holy deity, God reveals His Son Jesus for the only way you can be with God the Father ultimately. To know more about Jesus is by hearing the gospel, by hearing The Holy Bible. As you know more and more, of course with doubts time to time, everything becomes very logical He created things the way He did. It is a very logical faith once you actually know. And you can prove by how the one faithful man/woman loves.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:But no one was asking which side was more logical.
You have put it nicely that favors your position, but still have not proven about the long term effects of Covid in health. You only demonstrated what you believe with sources you might have on your own from articles, etc.
Logic is logic...logic may not fit your personal feeling or sense but that does not negate objective logic. You can continue to argue that 1+1 is not 2 but that doesn't change the logic or math of it.
You seem to be confusing logic with personal preference and subjective "common sense".
How exactly would you like to it to be proven? Conversely, what is your evidence that there are no material long-term effects?
qwerty said:You guys shut down as soon as covid is compared to the flu. The flu is also a highly contagious and deadly disease. Yes, not as deadly as covid, I get it.
In 2018 there were 2.8M deaths in the US. If that was 4.5M per year due to covid does that mean we change our way of life? Why was the 2.8M acceptable and 4.5M is not? Where is the line and who decides? Everyone has a viewpoint
All policies/laws/rules are generally based on what the majority wants and to some extent on religious beliefs. Generally most reasonable people can come to an agreement on what that is and whether it?s beneficial to society. Covid is unique because of the negative economic impact the shutdowns have and governments seem to think that is the only way to get things under control.
So one side cares about the money and the other cares about the lives. No right or wrong answer.
If you really want to apply logic you do what?s best for the majority and that would be for the 99% survivors. It can easily be argued that it?s illogical to ruin everything for the 1%.
qwerty said:You guys shut down as soon as covid is compared to the flu. The flu is also a highly contagious and deadly disease. Yes, not as deadly as covid, I get it.
In 2018 there were 2.8M deaths in the US. If that was 4.5M per year due to covid does that mean we change our way of life? Why was the 2.8M acceptable and 4.5M is not? Where is the line and who decides? Everyone has a viewpoint
All policies/laws/rules are generally based on what the majority wants and to some extent on religious beliefs. Generally most reasonable people can come to an agreement on what that is and whether it?s beneficial to society. Covid is unique because of the negative economic impact the shutdowns have and governments seem to think that is the only way to get things under control.
So one side cares about the money and the other cares about the lives. No right or wrong answer.
If you really want to apply logic you do what?s best for the majority and that would be for the 99% survivors. It can easily be argued that it?s illogical to ruin everything for the 1%.
Mety said:You see, IC and IHO? qwerty is following the logic he believes. What say you?
Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:Irvinecommuter said:1) Religion by definition is "illogical"...it requires faith with means belief without factual basis. For example, being a Christian means that you believe an unknown deity made himself a human being and sacrificed himself for to bring everlasting life for the entirety of humanity. There is no "logic" there...you either believe it or not. It is highly personal and impossible to prove.
Sorry, but that is not Christianity. As much as you try to defend false information, I try to sort out things that can mislead people in Christian faith.
In Christian faith, you believe God because He made Himself known to you. He is not an unknown deity. He made heavens and earth, everything you see around. He made Himself known that way before anything. Then once you realize you're not worthy to be with such a powerful holy deity, God reveals His Son Jesus for the only way you can be with God the Father ultimately. To know more about Jesus is by hearing the gospel, by hearing The Holy Bible. As you know more and more, of course with doubts time to time, everything becomes very logical He created things the way He did. It is a very logical faith once you actually know. And you can prove by how the one faithful man/woman loves.
That's seems like a highly subjective and personal experience that cannot be proven scientifically or with logic. As certain as you are about God and Jesus as Christian, you will find others who express equal certainty about being a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Jew, a Hindu, or an agnostic.
It's not logical at all...it may make sense to you but it is literally the opposite of logic.
By definition...Faith:
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
I will give you another example...how do you know that God created the world? How do you prove it to a nonbeliever? Is it something you can demonstrate and prove?
Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:You see, IC and IHO? qwerty is following the logic he believes. What say you?
I say when it comes to healthcare and public policy issues, I follow what the experts and scientists say.
Just like when there is a lawsuit, I follow the advice of counsel and what the judges say rather than just make up my own set of laws and procedures.
Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:You see, IC and IHO? qwerty is following the logic he believes. What say you?
I say when it comes to healthcare and public policy issues, I follow what the experts and scientists say.
Just like when there is a lawsuit, I follow the advice of counsel and what the judges say rather than just make up my own set of laws and procedures.
eyephone said:Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:You see, IC and IHO? qwerty is following the logic he believes. What say you?
I say when it comes to healthcare and public policy issues, I follow what the experts and scientists say.
Just like when there is a lawsuit, I follow the advice of counsel and what the judges say rather than just make up my own set of laws and procedures.
This might sound funny. But people are brainwashed to believe covid is fake or not serious.
Mety said:If I were to say I had a power to prove that by one post here, that would be illogical, wouldn't it?
Not sure if you've studied science deeply, but more and more you get to know how this universe runs and how a small creature in this universe, a human, is functioning with cells, molecules, and all the biological components, you WILL come to conclude there must be a God who makes and controls all these. Sure, that is an emotional belief. But that is also a logic concluded by many scientists.
Mety said:Yeah, that's funny. Who said that? I don't think anyone said that here.
eyephone said:Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:You see, IC and IHO? qwerty is following the logic he believes. What say you?
I say when it comes to healthcare and public policy issues, I follow what the experts and scientists say.
Just like when there is a lawsuit, I follow the advice of counsel and what the judges say rather than just make up my own set of laws and procedures.
This might sound funny. But people are brainwashed to believe covid is fake or not serious.
Mety said:Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:You see, IC and IHO? qwerty is following the logic he believes. What say you?
I say when it comes to healthcare and public policy issues, I follow what the experts and scientists say.
Just like when there is a lawsuit, I follow the advice of counsel and what the judges say rather than just make up my own set of laws and procedures.
You mean experts and scientists YOU CHOOSE to listen to? Are you sure all 100% of them are saying the same thing?
Mety said:Irvinecommuter said:Mety said:But no one was asking which side was more logical.
You have put it nicely that favors your position, but still have not proven about the long term effects of Covid in health. You only demonstrated what you believe with sources you might have on your own from articles, etc.
Logic is logic...logic may not fit your personal feeling or sense but that does not negate objective logic. You can continue to argue that 1+1 is not 2 but that doesn't change the logic or math of it.
You seem to be confusing logic with personal preference and subjective "common sense".
How exactly would you like to it to be proven? Conversely, what is your evidence that there are no material long-term effects?
"Logic is logic like math is math" does sound correct, but the issue is that which logic are we talking about? You can say my logic is like math 1+1=2. Sure, but your logic might be illogical to others. You don't think so? You say that is a subjective common sense, but how do you know your logic is not a subjective common sense? You say 1% of the US population is huge. Yes, that is logical. But others might say 1% is a too small of a number. That is logical too. You don't think so? What makes your logic deserves to be the only logic where there is a counter logic which is also true? My point here is not to prove I'm more logical. My point here is what you say logical might actually be a preference subjective matter after all. Of course, you won't admit it.
I'm not in a position to prove or debunk the long term effects. You guys are the ones who say there are long term effects with Covid. YOU need to prove it. I'll say though, we're less than a year having this virus. How can we determine it'll have long term effects while we have only studied this virus less than a year? Am I being illogical?