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Sorry RC... I didn't get there until 4 and we stayed at Montecito and Carmel until after 5pm.

We headed over to Sonoma (my passengers were going to go over there) but it was closed and I figured it might be too late to stop by.

Next time.
 
[quote author="scubasteve"]
[quote author="graceomalley"]

I do not know the home inspector at all. He was recommended by a friend/ historic home realtor Sandy DeAngelis. I passed on the name to USCTrojan. I never met him.

Your Vietnamese ethnicity is just an educated guess. Two key words were the dead give away: Contractor and Semi Conductor. Since you have not been here for very long to hear about me. Analytical thinking, data mining, observational and perceptional abilities are my strength.

You have no idea how much my informative postings are worth?

I regret teaching the corporate about the weaknesses of Asian Sheeple and their herd mentality otherwise you would not be manipulated like a pond in a chess game.

You have been very careful in your text not to reveal much of your ethnic background. The "Scuba" is an excellent way to hint a Caucasians sport activities and Steve a name not preferred by Asians families due to the difficulties of pronunciation among the elders.

Thank you for the reply and congratulation on your purchase and not spending beyond your mean.

I have designed homes for your former bosses at BRDCOM and currently working on one for an early retired founder.

May be someday I can afford to buy in Irvine then I will stop whining!

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I definitely got to give it up to you. I don't see the correlation with Vietnamese people and semiconductor though. I guess I work with way too many Koreans and Indians at work. I'm not sure about the contractor thing either (maybe because I don't have a lot of Vietnamese friends). I tried really hard not to talk about spring rolls or pho in my posts!

All kidding aside, I don't think I've gone out of my way to be careful about hiding my ethnicity -I guess I was just born here and really just post as if I was talking to someone.

Anyway, I was a long time lurker at IHB and really only posted when I needed advice on buying the AV town house a couple years ago. I then decided to stop visiting the forums for a while because I realized it only made me want a house even more! I really respected BK's post at IHB and now that I know you're BK, well then, I guess i respect you! While I don't fully know the extent of all of BK's rules, I believe the home I purchased met some of the requirements for living efficiency ( for 1800sqft, house should have 4 beds, 2.5 baths; there is also no toilet on top of the main entry =D ).

Anyway, it's been a long journey up to this point and I will continue to update you guys on my findings and experiences as I move forward with my first home purchase.

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Chinese (Cantonese and Taiwanese) are not handy and never enter into a construction field. They would become cooks, waiters and casino dealers before they would consider construction. Construction to them is very low class.

Uneducated Chinese from the Mainland are likely having to resort to the blue collar careers such as appliance repair or construction trades but they are never articulate enough to be a contractor due to language barrier. Their kids get in trouble really early and seldom finish college.

Korean is another possibility but most of them are painters and construction specialists.

Vietnamese are jack of all trade and take on all possible commissions even though they don't know to do it. They often oversold themselves in getting the job and find their way through later. The exposure allowed them to learn and have a broader understanding of the construction trades.

Vietnamese since the late 70's have been dominating the EE field. Cal Poly Pomona with the lowest tuition and being closest to Little Saigon was the prime university for the 1st generation Viet graduates. They became role models always with computers influencing the later generations to entering a technology related field.
 
the waves of FCB must have came and went... around 11:30 Panda and my family toured Coronado, and I have to say there were a good mix of all people...

They opened up the Palm club in WBE, and we were all in there, getting cookies & drinks, and I said loudly to the wife across the room... hey can you hear the Toll Road? I can kinda see everyone stopped and listened,, yeah,, you can...! classic TIC moment...!
 
[quote author="graceomalley"]
[quote author="scubasteve"]

I definitely got to give it up to you. I don't see the correlation with Vietnamese people and semiconductor though. I guess I work with way too many Koreans and Indians at work. I'm not sure about the contractor thing either (maybe because I don't have a lot of Vietnamese friends). I tried really hard not to talk about spring rolls or pho in my posts!

All kidding aside, I don't think I've gone out of my way to be careful about hiding my ethnicity -I guess I was just born here and really just post as if I was talking to someone.

Anyway, I was a long time lurker at IHB and really only posted when I needed advice on buying the AV town house a couple years ago. I then decided to stop visiting the forums for a while because I realized it only made me want a house even more! I really respected BK's post at IHB and now that I know you're BK, well then, I guess i respect you! While I don't fully know the extent of all of BK's rules, I believe the home I purchased met some of the requirements for living efficiency ( for 1800sqft, house should have 4 beds, 2.5 baths; there is also no toilet on top of the main entry =D ).

Anyway, it's been a long journey up to this point and I will continue to update you guys on my findings and experiences as I move forward with my first home purchase.

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Chinese (Cantonese and Taiwanese) are not handy and never enter into a construction field. They would become cooks, waiters and casino dealers before they would consider construction. Construction to them is very low class.

Uneducated Chinese from the Mainland are likely having to resort to the blue collar careers such as appliance repair or construction trades but they are never articulate enough to be a contractor due to language barrier. Their kids get in trouble really early and seldom finish college.

Korean is another possibility but most of them are painters and construction specialists.

Vietnamese are jack of all trade and take on all possible commissions even though they don't know to do it. They often oversold themselves in getting the job and find their way through later. The exposure allowed them to learn and have a broader understanding of the construction trades.

Vietnamese since the late 70's have been dominating the EE field. Cal Poly Pomona with the lowest tuition and being closest to Little Saigon was the prime university for the 1st generation Viet graduates. They became role models always with computers influencing the later generations to entering a technology related field.

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I guess contractor was not the right word to use for my dad. He is actually a software engineer that got laid off from his job. He was then re-hired by the same company as a consultant and was essentially stripped of all his benefits and salary. In any case, I wish I was as handy as my brethrens... otherwise i wouldn't have paid TIC to upgrade my place...
 
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[quote author="asianbuyernotfcb"]IAC, as I said before, it might be a wise decision to stay off the market for the next 12 months, I am not sure if the price will be going down significantly, but I am sure the price will not be shooting up again anytime soon. The main reason I am buying now is because my second son starts school this year, I really want to settle down, so he can make some long term friends at school and in my neighborhood, I have been waiting for 3 years, don't want to wait anymore.
As for 2010 collections price, I don't think they are that far off at least for now, I've been through the pre-qualify process with Wells Fargo and BOA, basically, they asked everything, fully documented income, two years of tax returns, 6 months of bank statements, clean stable employment history, spectacular FICO score, all the housing payment can not exceed 33% of your gross income. Even after this strict process, there are still more than 600 qualified buyers lining up to buy, what do you say, is this classical supply and demand in economy 101? I don't know about the affordability in Irvine historically, but I think the price spectrum of these new houses are in sync with the income spectrum of Irvine residents. [/quote]

asianbuyernotfcb,

Sounds like you have made your decision and feel pretty comfortable. Again best of luck with your purchase and keep us posted on the progress of your home purchase.

Btw, who told you there were "600 qualified" buyers lining up? By chance was it the builder agent? ;D[/quote]

Here is the link, http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2010/01/30/after-sales-rush-irvine-co-speeds-up-other-plans/54467/
quote "When an interest list reached 10,000 potential buyers last fall, the Irvine Co. starting asking those prospects who'd wish to pre-qualify to buy one of those homes. That list has grown to 700."
 
[quote author="asianbuyernotfcb"]
[quote author="IACRenter"]

asianbuyernotfcb,

Sounds like you have made your decision and feel pretty comfortable. Again best of luck with your purchase and keep us posted on the progress of your home purchase.

Btw, who told you there were "600 qualified" buyers lining up? By chance was it the builder agent? ;D[/quote]

Here is the link, http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2010/01/30/after-sales-rush-irvine-co-speeds-up-other-plans/54467/
quote "When an interest list reached 10,000 potential buyers last fall, the Irvine Co. starting asking those prospects who'd wish to pre-qualify to buy one of those homes. That list has grown to 700."[/quote]

So where did Lanser get that info? Hmm...probably straight from TIC PR folks.

The article is not clear whether those 700 of 10,000 actually met qualification standards or simply applied to get pre-qualified.

Either way, TIC and builders have a high degree incentive to fib when it comes to statistics. We the public can never be sure how much of the interest list, pre-qualified list, waiting list etc... are full of BS.

Dan Young gets paid to create a tizzy for new TIC openings. He knows his job well, including all the tricks. I suppose in the end it really doesn't matter whether they state true stats or not, since perception is often reality.

Only time will tell how well TIC does in selling out all phases of WB & WE.
 
Greetings to everyone, first time post, planning to visit wb tomorrow with wife and baby.. are there parking near the homes or is it strictly shuttle? hate to bring the baby onto the shuttles.
 
[quote author="graceomalley"]

Chinese (Cantonese and Taiwanese) are not handy and never enter into a construction field. They would become cooks, waiters and casino dealers before they would consider construction. Construction to them is very low class.

Uneducated Chinese from the Mainland are likely having to resort to the blue collar careers such as appliance repair or construction trades but they are never articulate enough to be a contractor due to language barrier. Their kids get in trouble really early and seldom finish college.

Korean is another possibility but most of them are painters and construction specialists.
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I personally know quite a few Chinese contractors. Typically the ones from Taiwan are the bosses (with license) and they hire workers from Mainland. The Mainland Chinese contractors are VERY good at working with concrete and brick. They can put up or take down a brick wall by hand faster than anyone else I've seen.

My business partner (from Taiwan) has a crew of Mainland Chinese guys working on 3 houses in Rowland Heights - Diamond Bar area right now. I have another friend in Arcadia, also Taiwanese, who has a Mainland Chinese crew working on commercial properties atm.

Koreans painters in LA are very good. They use their own special blended paint and can low-ball their bids to beat anyone. Their skills with the paint brush is also very high.

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Side note: for those touring the model homes, pay attention to the workmanship and the roof tiles. Note to self: KB Homes sucks.
 
ps99472:

It depends which neighborhood you are visiting.

In Woodbury, all the lot parking is closed off but you can park on the street or a nearby neighborhood and walk into the models/sales office. It could be a long walk but you can circumvent the shuttle that way.

I don't know how WBEast is because the only "built-out" area is early phases of Ivy so they may have closed off more of it.

I don't think the shuttles are that bad... they are rotating almost every 5 minutes (if not more frequently) so I don't think they are fairly easy to get around it. If you are planning to look at a large number of models, that might be easier as you don't have to keep looking for close parking to each plan.
 
[quote author="irvinehomeowner"]ps99472:

It depends which neighborhood you are visiting.

In Woodbury, all the lot parking is closed off but you can park on the street or a nearby neighborhood and walk into the models/sales office. It could be a long walk but you can circumvent the shuttle that way.

I don't know how WBEast is because the only "built-out" area is early phases of Ivy so they may have closed off more of it.

I don't think the shuttles are that bad... they are rotating almost every 5 minutes (if not more frequently) so I don't think they are fairly easy to get around it. If you are planning to look at a large number of models, that might be easier as you don't have to keep looking for close parking to each plan.[/quote]

don't mind taking the shuttles, it's just that we have our baby with us. live in irvine myself and have seen more clueless drivers then anywhere else (avoid 99 ranch parking lot on weekends). unless the shuttles have seats with latch points for my baby's carseat, we'll be strolling thru wb tomorrow..
 
[quote author="mikeirvine"]Hi everyone, This is my first post too.

I'm looking into buying a house in Irvine WB or PS and like many others, I can't wait any longer .... my brain tells me to wait and my heart tells me to buy buy buy....

I was offer one of the first phase Carmel plan two and Sonoma second phase plan three. But turn both down .....

The Carmel offers is facing the Montecito which I don't like.

I was very excited when I got Sonoma offers but it right next to the sand canyon and the vehicles noise is just too loud for me.

Both are selling for around 96k. <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->

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Good to know I am not the only one hearing the vehicle noise... You would think for 960k they would pick a better location.
 
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[quote author="mikeirvine"]Hi everyone, This is my first post too.

I'm looking into buying a house in Irvine WB or PS and like many others, I can't wait any longer .... my brain tells me to wait and my heart tells me to buy buy buy....

I was offer one of the first phase Carmel plan two and Sonoma second phase plan three. But turn both down .....

The Carmel offers is facing the Montecito which I don't like.

I was very excited when I got Sonoma offers but it right next to the sand canyon and the vehicles noise is just too loud for me.

Both are selling for around 96k. <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->

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Good to know I am not the only one hearing the vehicle noise... You would think for 960k they would pick a better location.[/quote]

how thin are the walls? i live near the 5 freeway and culver.. don't hear any noise except the occasional siren or obnoxious motorcycle going by...
 
[quote author="mikeirvine"]

After turning down the offers at WB, I drove to PS and seat on a chair at the balcony of one of the model home, listening to the ceiling music from the room, birds singing from the trees .... no vehical noise, the chair is not dusty = Priceless. I make an offer to that PS model home, But I still prefer WB for it location and let see what sonoma offer for the phase 3.

What do you guys think about PS?

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That is too funny. That is exactly what we went through before we bought our PS home. Which model home did you make the offer on?
 
[quote author="mikeirvine"]
If the Lot wall is next to Sand Canyon you can hear the cars noise very clearly and at peak hours the first floor with the wall is not that bad, but the second floor master bedroom will be open to the road noise.

That not the worse, when the garbage and container trucks pass by the lots you get the vibrations and loud band noises. I stand at the lot for 1 hour in the morning, almost gone crazy ..... SSSSSSSssss, band, sssssSSSSSSS Band Band LOL

The dust is a problem living next to the Sand Canyon, I'm currently renting next to the Sand Canyon (25 metre away from the SC rd) but not that close as the sonoma offer Lot. I want to have a jacuzzi in the yard but that will be cover with dust ....

The worse part of sonoma is at the corner of Sand canyon and Trabuco you get the noise coming close and far from the RD and freeways.

After turning down the offers at WB, I drove to PS and seat on a chair at the balcony of one of the model home, listening to the ceiling music from the room, birds singing from the trees .... no vehical noise, the chair is not dusty = Priceless. I make an offer to that PS model home, But I still prefer WB for it location and let see what sonoma offer for the phase 3.

What do you guys think about PS?

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Mike...excellent and informative first couple of posts. Appreciate your insight --- and welcome to Talk Irvine.

With regard to Portola Springs vs. Woodbury, there has been much previous discussion on this. The general opinion of many here is that while PS is certainly less developed now, in the long run it will certainly be the more desireable of the current Irvine New Home Communities. In addition to the more serene hillside locations, it also is zoned to higher performing schools (Stonegate/formerly Westwood) Elem and Northwood HS). But it will be few more years before that community "blossoms" --- unlike Woodbury which is fully built out on day 1. Word is that TIC will begin to PS build out effort in earnest toward the end of 2010, once the current Woodbury/WBE effort is exhausted.

A note to the couple of posters here yesterday who were suggesting that anyone with a dissenting opinion on the 2010 home collection was "whiner" who "couldn't afford" the Woodbury homes. Mike illustrates above exactly what us "whiners" have been trying to say --- and you chose to ignore. Some here are of the opinion that the 2010 collection is not priced appropriately for what you get. I am not "whining' because I can't afford it. I'm saying that for almost $1M you should not have to listen to garbage trucks rolling by (Sonoma) or deal with overflow parking from your motorcourt neighbors (Carmel). How are you going to feel in a $1M+ home in Carmel with strange cars from Montecito polluting your street? Is that going to give you a "special" feeling you should get from a $1M house? And you know there are going to be cars everywhere. Montecito is set up for multigenerational families which = lots of cars. Where are they going to park? In front of Carmel, that's where. And that's my point on Montecito as well...for $800k+, you should expect more than a driveway/alley in front of your house, with your front door probably 50 feet from the front door across the street. Again, that does not make Montecito a *bad* house, just at that price point you should expect (and demand) more for your money.

But, it is your money, and I'll wish you well and shut up. Maybe I should be thanking you. Maybe all the money so easily swayed by a glossy ad or a nice smelling model house will be exhuasted soon. And maybe that will mean those of us who can wait for (and demand) a better product at that price point will actually get it when Orchard Hills, Laguna Crossing and perhaps even the next phases of PS get built out.
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To add on to CK's post... I'm still not sure why TIC decided to build out Montecito/Carmel the way they did. Why not make it all one homogeneous neighborhood as it's not that big or at least separate the two. The way they made Montecito encircle Carmel is just strange and like CK (and I have previously) said... that will create a parking nightmare on the borders of Montecito/Carmel.

There is the issue of street noise on Sand Canyon which if is an issue for Sonoma, then it would also be an issue for Woodbury East as the entire neighborhood borders Sand Canyon. However, that will be something you would have to deal with depending on where you live in an urban area. Personally, after dealing with street noise it's not something I like so if I were to purchase in Sonoma (not at their prices), it would have to be a more internal location as close to the pocket park as possible.

Is the entire area west of Sonoma the low income housing that roundcorners keeps referring to?

As for Portola Springs, it is more remote but it does feel less dense than Woodbury, although I should temper that as the south side of PS where Los Arboles is feels almost as dense. Who knows how they willl develop the rest of PS considering they may change the density to maximize profits (you think TIC would do that? Heh) but I do hope they don't think about doing the whole "expensive SFRs surrounded by motorcourt housing" layout.

And don't get me wrong, I like the Montecito product... I just don't like how much it costs and how it's situated in relation to Carmel. I do think they should have done more about the external entry area on Plan 1/2 to match more with Plan 3. The fact you don't really have frontage to your house, they should have put a little more style and added a porch/landing area to the front door so it doesn't feel so abrupt from the street.
 
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[quote author="pete423"]

Good to know I am not the only one hearing the vehicle noise... You would think for 960k they would pick a better location.[/quote]

how thin are the walls? i live near the 5 freeway and culver.. don't hear any noise except the occasional siren or obnoxious motorcycle going by... [/quote]

We used to live right by the 5 and Culver next to the post office. We experienced the same thing as ps99472 and the dust issue mikeirvine mentioned. Going into looking at the different models, Sand Canyon or Jeffrey are a concern for us. Given our price range, Cornado plan 3 would have been right next to Sand Canyon and it wouldn't be any different. As for parking problem at Montecito/Carmel, I hope everyone will use their garages for cars. <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) --> I know we are, though I am not counting on others. Here is something that's interesting and makes no sense to Montecito's Phase one pricing. The closer the lot is to Jeffrey, the more expensive it is.

IHO, yes the apartment in front of Sonoma right after you make a right into the models are affordable apartments. Oh but it may not be as big as you thought, there is another Woodbury apartment right next to it that's not low income apartment.
 
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