Video surfaces of off-duty LAPD officer firing gun during altercation

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Restraint??  The adult started this.  Kids cutting across the lawn is annoying but you don't grab someone and hold them.  Sure he is a cop but he was off duty and acting solely as a citizen. 

And he wasn't going up against 16 kids.  Most were pleading to let the kid go and a few even were recording. 

Finally, the kid said "sue" and didn't say "shoot".  He even kept saying that he never said that in the video itself.  Think about it, if the kid was acting tough and spouting his mouth, he would continue and only increase his threats.  The kid kept telling the guy that he didn't say it. 
 
I agree with Jmoney. That off duty officer should have backed down and waited for other officers to arrive. He didn't need to keep grabbing that kid and escalating the situation. He created more problems and then he pulled out a gun when he should have let go of that kid and stepped away. Bad judgement.
 
YellowFever said:
How much you guys want to bet, if the off duty cop was:

1) not a cop
2) and is black
3) and the same events transpired

he would be immediately booked on suspicion of assault, attempted murder, etc. ?
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Agree. But I think anyone not a cop would have been arrested.
 
This is a story of escalation.  Something small escalates to something bigger which escalates to something bigger....

Then the story is, "he pulled a gun out and fired it because of a stupid argument."

Gun came out after he got knocked over, punched in the face twice, and approached by another kid reaching for what looks like a knife in his back left pocket while getting ganged up on.

I'm not saying that the guy was in the right when apprehending the kid.  I'm ignorant of that.  Once things escalated to the point where he needs to defend himself, then yes, it's gun time.
 
Apparently this was an on going problem and cop got fed up.

Never live in a school walking route.

Cop needs be to disciplined but not fired. Kids should be disciplined as well.
 
The cop needs to be fired. You don't fire a gun around a crowd of kids. People everywhere get fired for less. Society tends to have this leniency towards cops when they misbehave. That is why so many people hate cops because they do get treated as if are above the law. You have the cops are heros camp because they protect and serve and you have the other camp that hates them because hey get away with so much.
 
qwerty said:
The cop needs to be fired. You don't fire a gun around a crowd of kids. People everywhere get fired for less.
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Fired for what, exactly?  Maybe there's a good reason, but you didn't provide one.  Yes, you should have and use a gun to protect yourself from being attacked. 

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I could care less whether or not he's a cop or not.  The main reason it was brought up that he was a cop was so that people could rant against cops. 
 

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If the officer felt his life was in danger why didn't he shoot the kids? Why fire into the ground? Either you felt your life was in danger or not. If that kid was about to pull out a weapon then you let go of the unarmed 13 year old and shoot the teenager about to kill you.
 
spootieho said:
qwerty said:
The cop needs to be fired. You don't fire a gun around a crowd of kids. People everywhere get fired for less.
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Fired for what, exactly?  Maybe there's a good reason, but you didn't provide one.  Yes, you should have and use a gun to protect yourself from being attacked. 

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I could care less whether or not he's a cop or not.  The main reason it was brought up that he was a cop was so that people could rant against cops. 
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What other reason than firing a gun with a bunch of kids around do you need? If that is not a good enough reason not sure what is. The only reason the kid punched the cop was because he wouldn't let his friend go. I'm just sorry he didn't knock the cop out. And your pic about this kid possibly reaching for a reason a weapon? That is the number one excuse cops use to get away with murder? What if he was reaching for his cell phone to call the cops or record the events happening?
 
I'm not condoning what the guy did.  I think probably shouldn't have escalated it from the start.  I don't know what was going through his head.  I don't know if his actions at the beginning of the video were illegal.

Those kids are probably: 13/14/15.  The one on the left in the photo looks to be as tall as the adult.  I was already over 6ft tall at 13.  On at least 2 occasions a 13 year old killed someone at my school when I was 13.  One of the occasions, it was a kid who was bullied and was thrown into the trash.  The next day he came back with a gun and shot the bullies.  I can't remember the reason for the other incident.  At 13/14 many of us walked around with knives.  I never used a knife on anyone, but I can tell you that at the time it was empowering to carry one.  I don't know if Anaheim is more dangerous than where I lived.  All I can say is, teenagers aren't as harmless as you advertise.  Calling them kids doesn't make them any less threatening.  They were strong enough to knock him over the bush.  They were punching.  That one kid looked like he was getting a weapon ready.  At that point in time, yes, the gun is totally justifiable.  Thankfully that the discharge helped diffuse the situation.  Nobody got shot.

That guy is already paying for his actions and he might also get charged with a crime.  Whether he gets charged with a crime or not, his home that he ignorantly thinks he was trying to protect is no longer safe.  All the windows of his house have been destroyed.  His truck has been attacked.  His house probably wont be safe for the next 3 years as those kids will be walking by it every day hating his guts.  The protestors have been attacking his house.


 
It all started over this?

"The 13-year-old believed the officer, who was not named, had cursed at a teenage girl who had walked across his lawn in the area of single-family homes, many with tidy flower beds and well-pruned trees, about 2 miles west of Disneyland.
Michael Carrillo, an attorney representing a teenage girl, said she had "grazed" the officer's lawn when he began shouting expletives at her. Carrillo said the altercation turned physical after the boy stepped in and told the officer he shouldn't curse at a child.
In the video, the officer said he had heard the boy say he was going to "shoot" him, but the teen insists he said he was going to "sue" him."

Source:http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...fire-Shooting-Fight-Scuffle-414634913.htmlThe
 
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