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What is everyone's opinion of Talega. My wife and I have condo in Newport Coast and are looking to move sometime in the next year or two. We will soon start a family and figure we'll need more space. However I was not impressed with Talega. I visited Lucia...amazing houses..but mid 2 millions! I also liked the Alta houses but 1.6-1.8 million. There were a bunch of other developments...stella mare, etc..they all became a blur. Talega just seemed like wall to wall houses without much landscaping. It's sad because we want a newer house but just weren't thrilled with Talega.
 
<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1465158">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1465158</a></p>

<p>Price: $704,900







Aug 10, 2000

$372,000



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Apr 25, 2002

$450,000



11.8%/yr







Dec 21, 2005

$950,000



22.7%/yr







Jun 06, 2007

$765,000



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Typical day loss in Talega. Not pretty but will be a buy soon enough
 
morekaos is right. It is a nice area (indeed a sea of homes as you mentioned), but was built during the boom and is taking it in the shorts in terms of foreclosures and short sales right now. It also depends on where you are commuting to, since the drive is not the best.
 
<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1518496">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1518496</a></p>

<p>Price: $1,675,000 </p>



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Dec 29, 2004

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<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1395684">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1395684</a></p>

<p>Price: $399,900 </p>



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Jun 05, 2006

$700,000



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Jul 11, 2007

$560,000



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<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=823447">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=823447</a></p>



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Nov 22, 2005









They really are everywhere. Like fish in a barrel
 
<p>Here is a bunch more I posted in another comment...</p>

<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1328548">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1328548</a> </p>

<p>Price: $1,150,000







Dec 09, 2004

$1,466,000







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<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1330759">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1330759</a></p>

<p>Price: $1,999,000







Nov 30, 2006

$2,409,500







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<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1486153">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1486153</a></p>

<p>Price: $859,000







Sep 02, 2005

$1,041,000







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<p><a href="http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=849246">http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=849246</a></p>

<p>Price: $1,100,000







Nov 08, 2005

$1,269,500







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My wife and I have been out to Talega several times, and have talked toa number of people out there. Right know there are about 100 homes in a stage of foreclosure, with more to come (the builders pushed option ARM's, and the mortgage brokers came in behind them while prices were going up to push the "dead equity" issue.



Lyon Homes was developing a tract called Alora, and the models were incredible. In the first 5-6 months after the models opened, they had sold one home in their first phase. Around new years, they sold the remaining lots to investors at fire sale prices. Right now they are trying to sell the models, and the remainder of phase one (without floors), and they are pulling the plug. So if you buy one of these, you will be next to vacant lots (and they could be vacant for 5 - 10 years), and when they do build on the lots, you have no promises of what they will build - it could be a stucco box - which would be a shame if you were in one of the nice houses. Other tracts that may face simular fates: Carillon (SPF), Alta (SPF), Stella Mare (SPF). Laing also has two projects (Ravenna and Lucia), but they are really well capitalized right now, so the issues facing Lyon and SPF may not affect them.



Pricing wil continue to drop there, as the distressed properties pile up. Also, this area has high Mello-Roos, which may be worth it if you have kids, but I was surprised by the number of high end homes with ground floor masters - Lucia, Alta, Careyes -typically targeted to retirees and near retirees (who wants to pay Mello- Roos for a school and parks and youth swimming pools when your kids are out of the house?).



There is a contreversy on the west side of the development. Home buyers believe that they were told a key street (Avenida la Pata) extension was going to wind behind a hill, but the City of San Clemente, the County of Orange, and the State of California all believe it will run along the frontside of the hill. The proposed toll road extension to San Onofre runs along the east side of the project (and it is not "all dead" - gratuitious Princess Bride reference).



One final thing - if traffic is bad, it is an hour to Irvine, unless you pay for the toll road.
 
kaos,



It looks like you found the infamous Cazadero tract. I think this tract had the highest percentage of Option ARMS in Talega. Even though appears that there are some deals right now, there are more distressed properties on the way. Portomarin, Vittoria, and Catania also are creeping up with the distressed properties.
 
cdm,



thanks for the info. Those Lucia houses were very nice and big (almost 6000 sq ft)...but at 2.5 million I can't believe anyone is paying that for a tract home in san clemente. Alta was nice as well..but 1.6-2million seems awfully pricey. Since I work in Newport for that price point I could live in turtle ridge or a starter home in newport coast. Sad but true 1-2 million doesn't give you the best options in southern california. Most other parts of the country you could live like a King.
 
<p>socalmd,</p>

<p> Wait 3 years and you might be able to live, not like a king, but maybe like a prince in NC for 2 million. Prices will drop 30-50% from where they are now. It will just take a while.</p>
 
It was "dangerous" for people in Talega, because many who bought early on then saw their property values shoot up, so I could see it being tempting for them to pull cash out during that time. Then, obviously, values started to fall and continue to fall. As cdm said, foreclosures are plentiful around there.





Anyone else seen the <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2pne2t">latest foreclosure report</a>? 120 whopping pages. The one from last year at this time was 53 pages.
 
As I read the post from cdm on Talega with all the foreclosures, the music from Jaws starts playing in my mind.
 
You couldnt' pay me enough to live in Talega. That place has been overpriced since day #1. There are no liquor stores in Talega, no sports bars, no decent restaurants, hangouts or night life. It is extremely plain and anything other than a quiznos or charro chicken is downtown in SC.



I rented there for over a year in about 2004. I paid $1300/mo for a one bedroom apartment which was very high at the time. Talega is about 20-25 degrees warmer than the coast in the summer time and is scorching hot. All of the marketing/sales ads will say Talega is "by the beach" but it is actually 4 miles exactly inland from the five freeway, which is a little less than a mile inland from PCH and the beach.



During traffic hours it will take you 20 minutes just to hit the freeway via PICO or 15 via Hermosa. Traffic on PICO is bad just about all day except from 11AM-3PM and from 7PM on. If La Pata ever gets built out (I think the city wants to start work in 2010 and it will take several years to complete, check with the chamber of commerce) the commute to Irvine or san juan capistrano will be much faster.



The only thing going for Talega is the golf course and the dog park/skate park wayyyy off la Pata. There are also a few mountain biking trails near sano. The association pool is also pretty sweet. Another positive is it won't get super built out because there is nowhere to go with the preserve on one side, the chemical plant TRW, the marine base, and the electric station on the other side. Only the north side can get built out more and that is all rancho san clemente land right now.



Good thing is if you work off of La Pata or Amancer you'll have a sweet commute.
 
Builder for Revenna Tract has one home left - 41 Via Nersia. It's 3955 SF and listed at $989k. Agent says builder is willing to go $898k w/125k in upgrades for a fast closing. The sky is falling. Bet the neighbors are real happy about that.
 
Well it looks like a few sold or were taken back by the bank (same sales dates) for a neat loss...



http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1328548

Asking Price: $1,150,000

Purchased Dec 09, 2004 $1,466,000



Sold Apr 29, 2008 $1,143,000 <span style="color: red;"><span style="font-size: 14px;"><strong>$323,000.00 LOSS</strong></span></span>



http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=849246

Asking Price: $1,100,000

Purchased Nov 08, 2005 $1,269,500



Sold April 29,2008 $1,000,000.00 <span style="color: red;"><span style="font-size: 14px;"><strong>$269,000.00 LOSS</strong></span></span>
 
kaos:



The house on Via Buen Corazon does show up as REO. I am not sure on the house on Calle Gualteria, although I would not be surprised.



It's interesting in that the market for homes between 3,000 - 5,000 square feet is getting hit the hardest. The sales range (per square foot) seems to be $240- $270 (completed escrows - March and April), and it continues to soften. The Via Buen Corazon house id in Cazadero, which is full of short sales. This will bring prices down even further.



The house on Via Nerisa is from Laing Homes. They have a nice product, and right now, they are very well capitalized, and can be agressive (read: realistic) with their pricing. The price that they are willing to take is about $222.00 per square foot, which would roll back to about late 2003 pricing.



Given the distress in the 3,000 to 5,000 (McMansion - although Mrs. cdm, who is from a small working class town on Michigan, insists that they are Mansions) in tracts Cazadero, Mirador (Calle Gaulteria, Calle Avietuna), Sansol (Calle Saltamontes, Corte Vidriosa), Vittoria (Via Armilla), Catania, even Stella Mare and Carrillon, I think it is a matter of time until we see $200.00 per square foot.



Riddle me this though: Careyes at $1.6 mil plus? These homes are right across the street from Ravenna, are on average 500 square feet larger (granted, they have views of the golf course), and they are listing at $800,000.00 more. That's $1,600 per square foot for the extra 500 square feet!!! And I know it can't just be the "gated, golf course villa" thing, because Vitorria is also gated, on the same stretch of golfcourse, and has been shelled. And many of the Careyes homes pick up a LOT of road noise.



How long until these homes start dropping?
 
I live in Talega and here is what I think of the area:



What I like:

1. The community looks nice - I know it is a little cramped, but hey, isn't most of OC all tracked homes now? I think it is one of the better tracked home communities out there...

2. Great amenities - parks, swimming pools, etc.

3. Incredible weather - never too hot or cold. I also have BAD allergies, and they are pretty much gone after living here

4. Great for families - lots of kids in the neighborhoods. People are generally nice and down to earth.

5. Vista Del Mar is a good elementary school, although there are a lot of kids.



What I don't like:

1. Way to far south for me, but that is because my reference point is LA. My family and friends are all up there still, and I really don't see them much any more because it is so far.

2. Inconvenient to stores/restaurants. I'm an amateur foodie and love to eat out a lot. I also love just going out to different areas to hang out (ie. 3rd Street Promenade, Manhattan Beach, The Grove, Irvine Spectrum). As such, SC is BORING for me.

3. It has a Walmart nearby - let's face it...it just attracts the weirdest people that you wonder where the hell they came from.

4. Very low diversity; people don't seem as cultured



If you don't mind the location of SC being so south and you aren't the type of person that needs a lot of convenient places to go to, then SC is great.
 
[quote author="LAtoSFtoOC" date=1211631317]I live in Talega and here is what I think of the area:



What I like:

1. The community looks nice - I know it is a little cramped, but hey, isn't most of OC all tracked homes now? I think it is one of the better tracked home communities out there...

2. Great amenities - parks, swimming pools, etc.

3. Incredible weather - never too hot or cold. I also have BAD allergies, and they are pretty much gone after living here

4. Great for families - lots of kids in the neighborhoods. People are generally nice and down to earth.

5. Vista Del Mar is a good elementary school, although there are a lot of kids.



What I don't like:

1. Way to far south for me, but that is because my reference point is LA. My family and friends are all up there still, and I really don't see them much any more because it is so far.

2. Inconvenient to stores/restaurants. I'm an amateur foodie and love to eat out a lot. I also love just going out to different areas to hang out (ie. 3rd Street Promenade, Manhattan Beach, The Grove, Irvine Spectrum). As such, SC is BORING for me.

3. It has a Walmart nearby - let's face it...it just attracts the weirdest people that you wonder where the hell they came from.

4. Very low diversity; people don't seem as cultured



If you don't mind the location of SC being so south and you aren't the type of person that needs a lot of convenient places to go to, then SC is great.</blockquote>


3. It has a Walmart nearby - let's face it...it just attracts the weirdest people that you wonder where the hell they came from.

Hahaha. How true. :lol:
 
I live at 21 Via Buen Corazon. I bought at 1,150,000 in December 2006. So I'd be out $300,000 after commissions if I had to sell right now, but I have enough skin in the game that I'm not selling. There's plenty of others on my street who paid cash too.



All of my neighbors are great, and I love this neighborhood.



The single best resource for the pricing details of Talega and pricing in Doug Echelberger. Just google his name, then click through to "Talega Info" and then "Greensheet" and you can see all the talega homes for sale separated by tract. People who are buying during the downturn are firming up this neighborhood bringing in cash instead of risking the bank's money.



As far as Careyes, those homes are highly upgraded inside. That's why they are so expensive. It's all relative. I think Careyes and Lucia and even Alta is just "too much" but here I am at Cazadero and everyone that knows me thinks my house it too much. I got used to having a big house full of arcade games since that's how I made my money and was able to afford a house in the first place. Cazadero has big shared areas, big master bedroom, and small bedrooms. I use shared areas for my games, and use my private master for hanging out and watching TV but I think it's really designed for people with lots of elementary school aged children (small secondary bedrooms 2-5 .. big master and shared areas).



For me it's just the cheapest per square foot I could find for a new home for my arcade games and motorcycles.



I don't have any kids myself, but this is a great place for people with elementary school kids. The neighborhood is composed of lots of newer families with elementary school kids. The kids are out playing outside all the time.



Some of the info posted by someone else on this thread who said he rented here is just wrong. For example, it's not 20 degrees hotter up here. Especially on the front sides of the hills we get constant breezes. It's very nice. It is 2-5 degrees hotter no doubt, but 20?



Also, the commute to irvine spectrum for me (where I work) is 22 minutes exactly almost every day and I get 35 mpg in my new car .. I just sold my previous car that I had for 12 years and am not into the fancy car business. But I am having fun trying to get 36 mpg watching the car's computer but not yet - it's another game for me.



I get really put out by people who get on here and other blogs say a bunch of BS but can't back it up, so that's why I posted all this personal info. You can check out my myspace page at www.myspace.com/ahigh and see that I'm for real. If you really want to live in Talega, I think you should just do it. We moved down here in part because we liked talega so much and we had enough money to do it, so we did. I'm not leaving as long as I can stay employed and continue to have more fun working than most people have in their time off and that's that for now.



As far as those who rented over the last 2 years, congratulations to you. I could have rented and not had to work (being bored I expect), but at my work, we're making something really great and having fun, and I would rather work and live this lifestyle contributing towards others having fun playing games than to make money off other people's misery. A lot of people I meet in Orange County (b/c it's so RE focused) just do work that depends on taking other people's money (RE commissions, flipping foreclosures, etc etc). I may never get used to that, and for what it's worth, that's fine for those guys stepping on and getting stepped on, but I thought maybe someone wanted to hear a perspective from someone who plans to stay and doesn't mind working as part of my goals for my life rather than just getting ahead at the expense of the next guy.



The people who live here definitely aren't looking for the cheapest living arrangement. They want to provide a nice lifestyle that includes their kids and they socialize and hang out together all the time. I work all the time and play video games and stuff like that, so I don't hang out with them as much, but it's really like a great community for people with kids.



I hope this helps you decide if Talega is right for you. I definitely could have found a better place to build equity if I were worried more about preserving it instead of living my life. But I think if you might enjoy the Talega lifestyle there aren't very many other places like Talega .. it is what it is. And I like it.



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Very cool Ahigh, thanks for posting. From what I've seen, there certainly is a lot of money out in Talega - but then again, there are plenty of pretenders too, and those unfortunately will be the ones dragging the values down when they foreclose and the properties turn over.



I could never understand how so many people with young kids could already afford multi-million dollar homes, considering the area is marketed as a high-end family friendly enclave (and it certainly is). But, in hindsight, after seeing some of the loans out there I guess it does make a bit more sense.
 
Nice post Ahigh, it's always refreshing to hear some real life stories.



Would have been nice if people bought for the reasons you mentionned (living in nice neighborhood, not for investing).



Keep cruising on your motorcycle on PCH!
 
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