So much for lower interest rates...

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optimusprime_IHB

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All the homeowners holding on and hoping for a little interest rate mercy on their ARMs and IOs....OUCH!!





The bond market is down huge today and the 30 yr treasury is breaking out with yields hitting 5.20%...this will have huge ramifications on the real estate market. Just look at the homebuilding stocks today. OUCH!
 
If nothing else, this is what is going to change housing prices. This last week has been brutal and quite frankly is going to hurt many people.
 
<p>10 yr @ 5.13% Ejole !</p>

<p>Check out ticker SRS.</p>

<p>My IMB puts just went green.</p>

<p>Bill Gross says interest rates are going higher and bond yields are going higher.</p>

<p>Yen under 121 - Hmm-m-m, how's about that carry trade?</p>

<p>The bottom of the housing market is far, far away. Looks to me like the decline has just started.</p>
 
<p>I have to get a picture uploaded of the fannie mae mortgage bond chart. I have been subscribed to the service for 3 years now and have never seen a jump up or down as big as today. It only looks like it will get worse too.</p>

<p>awgee - My VIX calls went crazy yesterday and even more insane today. Good one on IMB!</p>
 
I closed out my DIA puts today and took profits. I think we may get a bounce before the downtrend gets underway -- at least I hope so because I entered a number of long swing trades near the close today.
 
I was too nervous to try the VIX calls, but have been keeping track of the DIA puts. You think there will be a bounce tomorrow? It seems like all the bulls are calling for more correction with or without the bounce, it makes me nervous. Gross called for the 10 yr to approach 6.5 % which would doom the housing market, but I don't know if he ventured a time frame. I wonder how many credit default swaps were triggered today, and what kind of scrambling for cash there will be next week. If the 10 yr keeps crashing, there should be an enormous amount of CDSs executing. Kind of makes you wonder what will happen with mortgage rates.<p>

IR - What are long swing trades?
 
<p><img alt="" src="http://img101.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/06/07/30yrjune72007-1i9mea9x.jpg" /></p>

<p>Wow I made a very easy process sound very difficult. </p>

<p>This is the six month chart for the 5.5% fannie mae thirty year mortgage bond. This is exactly what lenders look at when they come out with their rates for the day. Of course they probably changed them for the worse later today.</p>

<p>It works almost exactly like a bond in that when the price goes down the rate goes up. The difference is from what I know is if it is at par 100 fannie mae doesn't pay the lender for the loan. So the lender would have to charge fees i.e. and origination fee to make money on a loan that is at par. If it is above par say 101 fannie mae would pay the lender 1% or 100 basis points of the loan balance and if it were below par 99 the lender would have to pay fannie mae 1% of the loan balance. So right now it costs the lender 2.78% or 278 bps to get a 30 year fixed loan at a rate of 5.5% because it closed at $96.22. 6% costs 178 bps and 6.5% pays 88 bps. Plus they need to make money so it would be even higher for the borrower. </p>

<p>For example a lender on somehow still have access to the rate sheets with the acronym GP has the following rates:</p>

<p>5.5% is not even on the rate sheet but 5.875% is and it costs 225 bps, 6% costs 162.5 bps and 6.5% pays 62.5 bps.</p>

<p>The are several variables in pricing a loan but as you can see the chart is a fairly good gauge.</p>

<p>awgee - No offence but when I was in the mortgage business I learned very quickly that Bill Gross was wrong a lot. It got to the point where if he said rates would go down I would lock people in and when he said they were going up I would tell people to wait. I swear I never once got burned by it either. However looking at that chart above says that this time he could be right. </p>
 
<p>Graphrix - Right or wrong, the man made the market move yesterday, and it was profound. I heard on bubblevision this morning that his time frame was five years; very boring. Who cares about a 1.5% move in five years these days?</p>

<p>How will this move in rates affect the China central bank and their desire to hold US treasuries?</p>
 
Looking at past history, the 2/10 yield curve often seems to revert right before the recession starts. I wonder what this move means. Much of the recent economic data has weakened the bear case, though I'm still hanging-on because systemic weakness is still present (ie. "I see debt people. They're everywhere").
 
awgee,





Swing trades are 3 to 5 day positions with tight initial stops and tight trailing stops. Generally, you are looking for strongly trending stocks which have recently moved against their primary trend. The entry is off support looking for the primary trend to resume. I got stopped out on a few this morning with small losses, but I have several that are green right now. I suspect we will get a slight overshoot of resistance at the 20MA (which the market just broke yesterday) followed by a larger down move. I think you will see all the markets form a head-and-shoulders top at this juncture. We are in the process of forming the right shoulder. When this shoulder move appears to fizzle, I will look to go short.





Or not.
 
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