Shevy on the Irvine Market

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There was some heated back and forth last week on the IHB concerning inventory numbers in Irvine:
http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/bl...ce-lenders-to-resolve-bad-loans-and-liquidat/

Shevy finally chimed in with his analysis:

Shevy from the IHB said:
I wish I would have had an opportunity to jump in and reply to this thread while it was cruising. Regardless, in November and December we had 8 closings. Based upon my experience in the market and what I?m seeing daily both sides of this discussion make good points that are reflected in the market at some level.

    First, a home that shows well and is priced right will sell fast; moreover, it will often have multiple offers. That said, out of our 4 Irvine Closings in November and December all of them sold for less than they would have during the summer. Moreover, our advice to continue to look but not to be frustrated or over anxious during the tax credit and that deals would likely be available once the tax credit expired and that the tax credit was creating artificial demand leaving a higher probability of good deals once it expired was correct.  As a result, 2 of our Irvine closings appraised for more than the contract price. While the other 2 Irvine closings were equally as good of purchases given the Irvine market, our client?s loans, and their goals.

    For the Bears, our closing on 7 Pear Leaf (did not appraise for more than the contract price), serves as an example of what should happen to prices if supply is released and prices return to levels in line with people?s incomes. In April of 2010, one of the closest comparable properties to 7 Pear Leaf sold for $637,000. As a result a trustee sale buyer purchased it for $522,000 in August and paid off back taxes, HOA?s, installed new carpet, and painted and listed it at $650,000. Our client purchased the property for $525,000 in late November, a large reduction from the original list price of $650,000 in August, which was reasonable at the time based upon the comparables. This was the result of supply, demand, and motivated sellers pricing to what the market will support. As a result of this sale, 17 Bluebell, the closest model match that was active at the time of our clients purchased was allowed to expired and taken off the market in early December; it was listed at $630,000. Unfortunately for the bears, there are many homeowners in Irvine that have the ability to take their properties off the market and wait and hope that prices return, moreover, few tracts are allowed to build supply the way this one has as banks have made a point to avoid foreclosing on homes that they take larger losses, which tend to be in higher priced areas like Irvine.

  On the flip side, many tracts in Irvine still lack supply. A good example of this is 43 Washington in the Walnut area of Irvine. By many accounts other than supply this property is over priced, however, due to the lack of supply the property went into escrow in less than 10 days. There are numerous examples of this not only in Irvine but also in many other areas. If there is only one property for sale in a given tract, they can hold off for their price and will likely get it. Unfortunately, in many of these tracts there are numerous homes that are not available, despite the owner?s inability to pay. There are people that can afford these homes, however, they should be able to afford homes one or two levels above if the market was allowed to work naturally.

  Finally, with the artificially low rates despite the artificially controlled supply, most tracts in Irvine now have rental parity. Moreover, most people buy homes for their consumption value and not their investment value. As a result, even educated buyers will buy if they are planning on holding the property long term, are using proper financing, and if they can acquire the property at or below rental parity. If one looks at the drop in home prices relative to other assets like gold, I believe that one will see that home prices have dropped by amounts that match what many of the bears predicted. The frustrating part is that the prices in terms of dollars have not dropped enough to satisfy many bears because it was done by devaluing the dollar, thus helping the banks while hurting those that are educated and have been responsible and waited to buy more home with dollars and not gold.

    In regards to the future, it?s hard to argue that if rates and supply are not manipulated that prices should not go down further. However, there is nothing to indicate that rates and supply will not continue to be manipulated. However, there is a huge back log of foreclosures that are currently set to be released at trustee sales after the new year, if they are not postponed or canceled and the banks bring the properties to sale in Orange County that are scheduled it will result in a dramatic jump in supply. Properties like Pearleaf are great examples of what happens when supply increases, however, only time will tell.

The lack of supply is a good argument for why prices are still sticky. I also notice in my own searching that there aren't many models/tracts that I'm interested in available.

So while a certain people like to point out a single data point that current inventory is higher than last year's at the same time, they fail to realize that last year was one of the lowest and that we are actually on par with previous years.
 
i still dont like how they calculate rental parity (although its the widely accepted method).I dont like to exclude the prinicipal part of the payment  I like to look at the cash flow side of things. If you only look at it from cash flow, most of irvine is not at rental parity. I look at this way because if i was forced to move for whatever reason and the house had lost value, i like to see how much money i would lose on a monthly basis by renting it out, especially since i would not be able to deduct rental losses.
 
What Shevy said is nothing new and surprising, I've been saying the same thing for months.  Market has softened since the end of free gov't money, more for less desirable products and locations.  Irvine homes with a desirable floor plan that are priced right and show well go into escrow within days.  I'd say that there are more people than most people think on the sidelines and just waiting to pounce on their favorite floor plans when they come onto the market.  Not all inventory is created equally! 
 
Limited supply is what has and continues to keep me from buying a home, in Irvine or elsewhere. I can accept high demand in Irvine, but when inventory seems to be artificially low and as a result of supply constriction, no thanks. If it turns out to be true that banks are withholding REOs from the market, they'll continue to deny it...until they go back to Congress later pleading for a another big government bailout.

I agree with Shevy though that if you're looking to get a home for long-term living for your family, now is a good time to jump in with mortgage rates still very low.
 
USCTrojanCPA said:
What Shevy said is nothing new and surprising, I've been saying the same thing for months.  Market has softened since the end of free gov't money, more for less desirable products and locations.  Irvine homes with a desirable floor plan that are priced right and show well go into escrow within days.  I'd say that there are more people than most people think on the sidelines and just waiting to pounce on their favorite floor plans when they come onto the market.  Not all inventory is created equally!

I'd also say that there are plenty of homeowners wanting to sell but keeping their homes off the market now until prices start to rise again. But if demand rises proportionally, that won't negatively affect prices.
 
Shevy does bring up a good point regarding the dollar is being inflated, so house price is actually decreasing in terms of gold or other denominations. So the renters should to invest their down payment in whatever bubble the Fed is trying to inflate.

I would say equity sellers and potential buyers on the sidelines are about equal in terms of numbers and willingness to wait.

But supply from other sources (REO or shortsales) is going nowhere but up.
For the demand, as long as unemployment rate remains high, there will be hardly new potential buyers (I would assume most people need a job to buy a house, no?). Also interest rate has nowhere to go but up as it is already historically low. With Republican congress I doubt there will be another tax credit coming. Lastly, lending standard is somewhat restrained now so no more artificial demand.

All that means the price will artificially slowly deflate for the next 3-5 years.
 
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