Renting during foreclosure process

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I have a friend who is renting a condo in Irvine and has discovered that the lender has filed an NOD on the property. He has less than 6 months left on his lease and is curious when happens to tenant during the foreclosure process. Should he try to contact to let them know that he is a tenant? What will happen to him after the bank takes the property back aftre the trustee sale? Can he expect some kind of payment from the lender to vacate the property after they take possession?
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1229541275]I have a friend who is renting a condo in Irvine and has discovered that the lender has filed an NOD on the property. He has less than 6 months left on his lease and is curious when happens to tenant during the foreclosure process. Should he try to contact to let them know that he is a tenant? What will happen to him after the bank takes the property back aftre the trustee sale? Can he expect some kind of payment from the lender to vacate the property after they take possession?</blockquote>


My understanding is that the foreclosure process voids any lease on the property. If and when a foreclosure happens, your friend will have no legal right to continue staying in the property. When the bank gets around to it, they will serve a notice to quit the property. If your friend doesn't quit the premises, law enforcement may show up to remove him.



With less than six months on the lease, I doubt anyone will get around to booting your friend, depending on how long ago the NOD got filed. The foreclosure process is slow. My assumption is that legally, your friend has no right to stop paying rent to the owner. The owner not paying his obligations to another unrelated party, the bank in this case, has nothing to do with your renting friend. If the owner failed to make repairs, or otherwise violated any lease covenants, your friend could have an option to terminate.



If the landlord is in financial distress, it's likely that your friend will need to sue and get a judgement for any hope of collecting his security deposit.
 
Why not just use communication and have an honest conversation with the landlord. Your friend could present him/her with the information he has found. Unless there is some compelling reason that the landlord gives to stay (maybe there is a chance he can show that he has or intends to cure the NOD), the friend could ask to be let out of his lease early since he doesn't want to get involved with living in a distressed property. I would just try that route first and see what happens.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1229541275]I have a friend who is renting a condo in Irvine and has discovered that the lender has filed an NOD on the property. He has less than 6 months left on his lease and is curious when happens to tenant during the foreclosure process. Should he try to contact to let them know that he is a tenant? What will happen to him after the bank takes the property back aftre the trustee sale? Can he expect some kind of payment from the lender to vacate the property after they take possession?</blockquote>


IPOP's right, legally speaking. But the below policy change by Fannie may alter the after-effects of a Fannie foreclosure. Article mentions that banks may be reluctant and/or powerless to adopt the same policy b/c they technically don't 'own' the property.



Remember, the NOD is only step one, and the owner could still cure the default at no detriment to anyone (save for the landlord's credit, I suppose). I have seen properties with a half-dozen NOD's, spread out over several years, always with 11th-hour cures. PM me the address, and I can look up the lender, trust deeds, NOD's, etc.







Fannie Mae to End Tenant Evictions in Foreclosures



Fannie Mae is finalizing a national policy that will allow tenants to remain in their homes even if their landlord goes into foreclosure -- a landmark decision for tenants.

The policy will be in effect Jan. 9, Fannie Mae said Sunday, and reflects growing pressure on the mortgage company from a legal-aid group that threatened to sue over recent evictions. The company said it will also ensure its current holiday moratorium on new evictions is being followed until the new policy takes effect.

"We're delighted that Fannie Mae has agreed to change their policy," said Amy Marx, an attorney with New Haven Legal Assistance in Connecticut. "And we're hopeful others will follow suit."

In late November Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac said they would suspend tenant evictions temporarily during the year-end holidays. New Haven Legal Assistance said that despite the pledge, Fannie Mae was proceeding with more than a dozen new eviction cases in Connecticut. The advocacy group said the evictions would violate legislation passed earlier this year to rescue the two mortgage-finance giants that required them "to permit bona fide tenants who are current on their rent to remain in their homes under the terms of their lease."

In his letter Sunday to the New Haven group, Fannie Mae General Counsel Curtis Lu wrote: "As far as we know, this will be the first nationwide program of its kind." Copies of the letter were sent to Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), chairman of the Senate Banking committee and Barney Frank (D., Mass.), House Financial Services Committee chairman.

Freddie Mac hasn't announced a similar policy reversal, though a spokesperson said they are "currently evaluating additional actions."

The decision by the government-backed mortgage giants represents just a slice of the market and excludes many properties purchased with riskier loans that are now falling into foreclosure. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, however, are uniquely structured to be able to address the issue, which effectively now has them acting as a type of landlord or property-management company to administer month-to-month leases to renters of their foreclosed properties.

Ted Meyer, a spokesman for Deutsche Bank, one of the biggest trustees of mortgage-backed securities, said Deutsche Bank isn't in a position to be able to follow Fannie's lead on foreclosures.



Deutsche Bank has no capacity to intervene, Mr. Meyer indicated, saying "the whole issue comes down to ownership" of the foreclosed properties. A given property "is held in trust by us but it is effectively owned by the hundreds or thousands of people that own a tiny sliver of mortgages in any one pool," Mr. Meyer said.

It might fall to the local servicers of the mortgages to decide to halt evictions, he added, because they are responsible for steps such as hiring real-estate agents to put foreclosed properties on the market. It isn't clear how much power -- or will -- a servicing company has to effect a moratorium on tenant evictions.

It's a frustrating situation, says David Rothstein, a researcher at nonprofit group Policy Matters Ohio who has looked at the effect of such evictions in his state. "When there's a renter in these properties they're less likely to be vandalized, they're better maintained, and it's better for the communities," he said.

In a recent report Mr. Rothstein found foreclosure filings on renter-occupied units in Cuyahoga County, where Cleveland is located, were up 29% in 2007 from the previous year. The average cost of an eviction per family ran about $2,500 -- meaning a total $10 million loss of wealth, Mr. Rothstein said.

The social and economic pain of eviction has made the subject a regional cause more than a national one. That in turn has made it difficult for groups to marshal the political muscle to enact state or federal legislation barring tenant evictions in foreclosures.

A New York University study found at least 15,000 renter households in New York City were affected by foreclosure last year. Since then, the number likely has increased. In the Boston area, a group of Harvard University students has been going door to door notifying tenants of their rights in an eviction; many such tenants are unaware of their rights and accept "cash for keys" offers from lenders -- often $500 or $1,000 -- to leave.

"We had seen the devastating impacts of Fannie Mae offering cash for keys to tenants and evicting most of the rest," Ms. Marx said. "We eagerly await the implementation of the new policies."

Write to Kelly Evans at kelly.evans@wsj.com

<a href="http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122929716434005201.html">WSJ Article</a>
 
Your friend must continue paying the landlord until the foreclosure happens regardless of the NOD. He can later sue and try to get his deposit back. However effective July 2008 new legislation permits your friend to stay in the home for 60 days from the time the foreclosure occurred (or served) unlike an owner that has only 3 days.
 
If the NOD implies that the landlord has not been paying the mortgage... how does this relate to Rent Skimming?



Can't you use that as a basis to not pay your rent until your landlord proves that he is using your money to pay the bank?
 
I agree with So Cal, talk to the owner. I would try to either work out a reduced rent in lieu of the situation and I would also not pay rent for a month in order to ensure getting the deposit back before you move (there's no way you're getting it back after you move). As far as not paying rent at all, I'm not sure what recourse the owner would have, yes, he could sue, but he seems to have a lot of his own problems at the moment.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1229568227]If the NOD implies that the landlord has not been paying the mortgage... how does this relate to Rent Skimming?



Can't you use that as a basis to not pay your rent until your landlord proves that he is using your money to pay the bank?</blockquote>


I don't think so.



First, rent skimming typically applies only to newly acquired properties that are immediately rented out. "Rent skimming" means using revenue received from the rental of a parcel of residential real property at any time during the first year period after acquiring that property without first applying the revenue or an equivalent amount to the payments due on all mortgages and deeds of trust encumbering that property.



The civil code sections related to rent skimming provide that a tenant can sue a landlord for actual damages, security, moving expenses in some cases, recovery of legal fees, and on occassion, additional damages if the property was already delinquent at the time it was leased to the tenant.



Ultimately, even if the tenant wins the civil suit and gets a judgement, a BK by the landlord is going to put them into a pool with other creditors and they may not be able to collect...
 
Seems like tenants are at a disadvantage here.



If my landlord stopped paying his mortgage and he has at least a month's worth of my rent as a deposit, I should have some type of recourse so I don't have to go after that money once the bank kicks me out. Once he stops paying his mortgage... the chances of me getting back my deposit go to negative.
 
Ok so the question is can the Tenant avoid paying the Landlord since the Landlord is in default... The legal answer is no. He must contiune to pay and yes, the Landlord can take the Tenant to court and win a judgement regardless of the NOD.



The realistic answer is the owner is probably not going to do anything about it, he has no cash and probably having a financial meltdown and your friend will likely stay rent free until the new Owner gives him a notice and then he will have another 60 days rent free to move (your only recourse afforded by law).



If the new Owner is one of the FNMAE or the like your friend could have other options other than just moving. Cash for keys might be one... or being able to rent while the home is being sold is another.



Everything being said it comes back to your friends moral values and deciding what is the right thing to do... take advantage of the situation and get some free rent or do what's "right" and not take advantage of the situation. But thats another topic on another thread.

Your friend signed a contract. As long as he is enjoying the benefit of a home, he must pay for that priviledge.
 
[quote author="eRentVine" date=1229573165]Ok so the question is can the Tenant avoid paying the Landlord since the Landlord is in default... The legal answer is no. He must contiune to pay and yes, the Landlord can take the Tenant to court and win a judgement regardless of the NOD.



The realistic answer is the owner is probably not going to do anything about it, he has no cash and probably having a financial meltdown and your friend will likely stay rent free until the new Owner gives him a notice and then he will have another 60 days rent free to move (your only recourse afforded by law).



If the new Owner is one of the FNMAE or the like your friend could have other options other than just moving. Cash for keys might be one... or being able to rent while the home is being sold is another.



Everything being said it comes back to your friends moral values and deciding what is the right thing to do... take advantage of the situation and get some free rent or do what's "right" and not take advantage of the situation. But thats another topic on another thread.

Your friend signed a contract. As long as he is enjoying the benefit of a home, he must pay for that priviledge.</blockquote>


If the tenant stops paying his rent, the curent landlord in default can serve him notice for violation of lease terms and eventually evict him. The landlord in financial stress will probably want to find a tenant to provide rent to skim until the foreclosure goes down. By stopping payment of rent, the tenant opens themselves up to possible eventual eviction, future credit issues, etc.



It sucks, but the tenant in this type of matter is kind of screwed. They don't want to be forced to move, but by stopping payment of rent, they likely could be forced to move anyway and take a hit on their credit report. If I was a tenant in this situation, I would only consider shorting my rent or not paying at all once the foreclosure auction got scheduled.
 
i believe that the law is that after the foreclosure, the bank is legally responsible for the deposit. but i wouldn't count on getting it.



i third the recommendation on talking to the current 'owner' and negotiating a reduced rent, first month free to cover the deposit.
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1229574927]i believe that the law is that after the foreclosure, the bank is legally responsible for the deposit. but i wouldn't count on getting it.



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I can't believe this would be the case... It doesn't make sense legally. If the bank doesn't have to satisfy lien holders in subordinate positions when it forecloses, e.g. a HELOC lender, why in the world would it have to satisfy a tenant that made a deposit to the former owner?



<strong>Edit - Wow, looks like you are right Freedom about the deposit. The new owner, even if its a bank, apparently owes it to the tenant. <a href="http://tenantsforeclosure.blogspot.com/">Here is a nice resource on the topic.</a> Never heard of "cash for keys" before...</strong>
 
::bump::



So I'm now finding myself in this situation (see my thread about the saga of my landlord not paying prop taxes <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/3932/">here</a>).



Luckily I found out the NOD within 2 weeks of it being filed, thanks to IR2, usctrojanman29, and this blog. The information I've read in the last few weeks has given me a much needed education about this process.



What comes next for me I'm not 100% sure since I have roomies in this as well. But I'm sure it is less stressful if I had a family to consider.



I just needed to vent because it is a little frustrating, with my job being a little dicey, and now figuring out what to do next. But I just wanted to say thank you to all of those who've helped me, and for the great resources that were posted in this thread.



I do have one question, I want to notify the bank that I am renting this property, so they know it isn't the landlord that lives here, and if I decide to stay once the property is foreclosed on and sold, have 60 days before the lender/bank/whoever can evict me. How do I do this? Just call the bank on the Notice of Default and try to get in contact with someone? Is there a formal procedure? I couldn't find anything specific on it.



Cheers!
 
I am NOT A LAWYER and this is NOT LEGAL ADVICE. Please retain a LAWYER FOR LEGAL ADVICE. ALL INFORMATION IN THIS POST COULD BE WRONG SO PLEASE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.





As far as I know, you PHYSICALLY cannot be removed from property without an unlawful detainer action. I am pretty sure this includes anyone living at the property. I think UD actions are usually done very fast, like 30 days or less maybe? Not sure. And of course like any lawsuit you have to be served with process. So whoever is living there will eventually be served with unlawful detainer to get em out, or they can mail the keys or other options. Even the person who buys the first mortgage at auction must eventually serve the UD to get the people inside the property out. So you can see how long it can take sometimes.



Your friend has some agreement with the landlord to pay rent. I dont know what the contract says. Sometimes there is a clause where if in default then must be cured before payment of rent resumes, along with hundreds of other possible clauses to make sure something is functioning/paid/ whatever. The consequences of your friend not paying is he can be sued by the landlord (even though he is in default on the mortgage, he may be smart or something and go after your friend for the rent or have a good lawyer or something) but if he doesnt want to waste time and money he will probably ignore your friend not paying rent. He will probably just let the bank foreclose and sell and then eventually there will be an unlawful detainer. of course the landlord could do this himself but is he really gonna do that to some guy leasing a house that he doesnt own anyway which is gonna be foreclosed? Probably not. So the bank will sell(or take it back) then serve the UD to the tenant. Of course the bad thing about being served a UD is that its public information. Everyone will know. But most the time the banks make a deal to just get you out, like mail the keys and take 1500. But as a lessor the thing is the landlord can serve a ud 30 days after friend doesnt pay. (i could be TOTALLY WRONG HERE so please everyone do some research and find out exactly what the answer is)



Maybe just call landlord casually and tell him your moving out in 30 days? Unless he finds a moron who is gonna lease from him even though NOD then just stay in the house and dodge the landlord, wait for bank to take house then leave? maybe.
 
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