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Whoo boy, yes it's all the Dems' fault. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin">Not.</a>
 
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/opinion/28rich.html?incamp=article_popular">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/opinion/28rich.html?incamp=article_popular</a>



<blockquote>What we were learning ? through The New York Times, Newsweek and Roll Call ? was ugly. Davis Manafort, the lobbying firm owned by McCain?s campaign manager, Rick Davis, had received $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac from late 2005 until last month. This was in addition to the $30,000 a month that Davis was paid from 2000 to 2005 by the so-called Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy organization that he headed and that was financed by Freddie and Fannie to fight regulation.



The McCain campaign tried to pre-emptively deflect such revelations by reviving the old Rove trick of accusing your opponent of your own biggest failings. It ran attack ads about Obama?s own links to the mortgage giants. But neither of the former Freddie-Fannie executives vilified in those ads, Franklin Raines and James Johnson, had worked at those companies lately or are currently associated with the Obama campaign. (Raines never worked for the campaign at all.) By contrast, Davis is the tip of the Freddie-Fannie-McCain iceberg. McCain?s senior adviser, his campaign?s vice chairman, his Congressional liaison and the reported head of his White House transition team all either made fortunes from recent Freddie-Fannie lobbying or were players in firms that did.



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Tune in next week for "<em>Accuse your opponent of what you are most guilty of - The Karl Rove disinformation campaign</em>" or "<em>Nothing ruins a good story like the facts. </em>"
 
-both partys have some blame to bear. I think freddie and fannie were a good idea gone bad.



I'm still holding the GOP and Bush and Cheney accountable for attacking IRAQ? that cost 1 trillion dollars.

they talked congress into it.

-where are the weapons of mass distruction?



WE can go to war all over the world to horde more Oil.

-but we can also use less.



Bush was giving people a tax brake for Buying Hummers. not the H2 or H3 The huge military Hummers. if you bought a vehicle over 100K you got a big write off??



-The bush Family is in the oil business. Period!! this drives Bush's motivations.



How about a penaty tax for every car in the usa that produces more than 100HP?? do you think that would cause us to use less OIL??



I think Mc cain has some good ideas BUT?, he is sleeping with the enemy! all his GOP pals dont support him. MC Cains needs to run as an independant like his pal leiberman.
 
I disagree...



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html/



Have a look at that its, from October 2002, where Bush begins to unveil a plan where every eejit in america can buy a home.



Im told that the original plans goes back to Clinton but I've not verified that yet.



And for the record? Im libertarian and really struggling to find a candidate I dont despise this year because the big issue for me is illegal immigration and both Obama and McCain want anmesty.
 
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Im told that the original plans goes back to Clinton but I've not verified that yet. </blockquote>


It will be difficult to verify since it's not true. The original plan goes back to Jimmy Carter thirty years ago. The problem for a long time was banks find it difficult to be profitable in poor neighborhoods that (suprise!) have high concentrations of new immigrant miniorities.



The housing bubble/no doc pheonomen fixed that. They made scads of money while the regulatory agencies looked the other way or stated "it's not our jurisdiction". Now we get to bail them out.



I don't know if redlining existed or didn't exist, but I do know around the same time banks would be discriminatory against Catholic women of child bearing age for the same reason - if you needed her income to qualify for the mortgage you couldn't count on it because she would soon become preganat and not be able to work. I'm not making this up.



But it's easy for Hannity or Rush to just blame Bill because he's the root of all evil in America, right?
 
But it's easy for Hannity or Rush to just blame Bill because he's the root of all evil in America, right?</blockquote>


Are you kidding me with this? Ive never said or implied anything close to that. WTF? Rush is a douchebag..
 
[quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1222736194]But it's easy for Hannity or Rush to just blame Bill because he's the root of all evil in America, right?</blockquote>


Are you kidding me with this? Ive never said or implied anything close to that. WTF? Rush is a douchebag..</blockquote>


I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm simply pointing out there is a bit of an information gap when it comes to the truth and what the Republicans have been spewing lately.
 
The entire political meme on blaming the Democrats for the housing bubble is really quite amusing. The Republicans control the Presidency and the Congress for the entire housing bubble, yet somehow, they were unable to rectify the mistakes of Bill Clinton? Sometimes the political posturing of one party or the other doesn't even pass the giggle test. This one doesn't. If fact, it does make me giggle that the Republicans even suggest it.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1222736659][quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1222736194]But it's easy for Hannity or Rush to just blame Bill because he's the root of all evil in America, right?</blockquote>


Are you kidding me with this? Ive never said or implied anything close to that. WTF? Rush is a douchebag..</blockquote>


I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm simply pointing out there is a bit of an information gap when it comes to the truth and what the Republicans have been spewing lately.</blockquote>






As I said, I've been unable to verify it so as far as I am concerned responsibility lies squarely on the Bush administration. Please see the speech referenced above. And again, Im no republican, nor democrat. And IMO in this election there is no lesser of 2 evils they both suck out loud.
 
- im curious who was the last pres candidate that you liked? of the final two. i mean. people who were at the final debates.



_for me it was Gore. I think the world would be a better place if he had one. but 2020 you know.



-dont say Ralph nader ok.



I hear many say they like none.



Im considering voting for all the independants in Cali.
 
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