Rapid Home Appreciation in 2011

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Mcdonna1980_IHB

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I nearly feel out of my seat this morning when I read the below story in the OC Register. It is really sad because the general public really does think we will bounce back to peak prices in a snap. I met with a client this afternoon whom really took Steve Thomas's predicitons to heart and wanted to buy now or be priced out forever. I hear this sentiment often from clients and I know they think they're informed. But I know they rely on the newspaper which has very limited analysis. I wish the Register would stop giving Steve Thomas free advertisement.



?Rapid appreciation? seen for O.C. homes in 2011

November 17th, 2008, 3:18 am ? 76 Comments ? posted by Jon Lansner/ocregister.com

The latest O.C. home inventory report from Steve Thomas at Altera Real Estate in Aliso Viejo includes a bold prediction ?



?The past couple of years we have witnessed giant swings in the stock market, oil prices and housing. For the most part, the majority of consumers are trending to jump in unison. There will be more residential housing units that sell next year compared to this year, so the probability that we hit bottom in pricing next year is great. In 2010, we will most likely appreciate a bit, while many consumers wait to hear the news that the bottom was already reached. Remember, nobody is ringing a bell to indicate when we hit bottom; instead, economists and analysts will be able to inform the public at large that a bottom was reached many months later, after it occurs. In 2011, with all of the pent up demand and the realization that Orange County is undervalued, a wave of demand will be unleashed on the market and we will return to rapid appreciation.?



Thomas calculates a ?market time? benchmark tracking how many months it theoretically takes to sell all the inventory in the local MLS for-sale listings at the current pace of pending deals being made. (Thomas notes a new, combined broker listing service now includes 600 listings ? 5% of supply ? previously not tabulated!) By Thomas? logic ?



It would take 5.18 months for buyers to gobble up all homes for sale at the current buying pace vs. 5.19 months two weeks vs. 13.31 months a year ago vs. 7.13 two years ago.

Note that homes under a million bucks have a market time of 4.38 months vs. 20.88 months for homes listed for more than $1 million.
 
I think you should direct your clients to this forum instead. :) The members here have given me and others many sound and excellent advice. I have learned a lot more about not just the housing market, but other stuff too. ;-)
 
[quote author="Allison C." date=1227084439]I think you should direct your clients to this forum instead. :) The members here have given me and others many sound and excellent advice. I have learned a lot more about not just the housing market, but other stuff too. ;-)</blockquote>


Indeed. I would recommend everyone take some courses here at IHB University. I have completed my general education in the Politics, Health & Fitness, Dining, and Economy threads. I am now working on a major in Irvine Real Estate with a minor in feng shui. The well-rounded and experienced professors we have here are excellent. And free tuition?? It doesn't get any better than that! I have applied many of the IHB principles to my life. I ditched my inland empire home last spring, cashed out my equity while I could, and am in a better buying position because of it. I hope to be a good student of the IHB and make my teachers proud. I tell everyone that I meet about this site.
 
I too, was shocked by this ridiculous prediction. Does the writer think that the economy is suddenly going to bounce back or that it's possible to have "rapid appreciation" in a bad economy? Either way, lenders are not going to contribute to the outrageous appreciation we saw by supplying loans to people who can't afford them anymore so the chances of "rapid appreciation" occurring again at least in the next 10 years are slim to none.
 
I work as a paraplanner for a financial planning firm here in Orange County. I've witnessed a number of our clients commit financial suicide by buying overpriced homes during the bubble. And now the ones that didn't buy during the bubble are convinced they are not going to miss the boat this time around. I'm trying to talk my boss into sending out The Great Housing Bubble book to clients. I wonder, though, if it will do any good. Unfortunately, I find many clients we see are allergic to detail analysis.
 
[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1227091021]I work as a paraplanner for a financial planning firm here in Orange County. I've witnessed a number of our clients commit financial suicide by buying overpriced homes during the bubble. And now the ones that didn't buy during the bubble are convinced they are not going to miss the boat this time around. I'm trying to talk my boss into sending out The Great Housing Bubble book to clients. I wonder, though, if it will do any good. Unfortunately, I find many clients we see are allergic to detail analysis.</blockquote>


Read this thread <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/3729/#82191">http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/3729/#82191</a>
 
Mr. Thomas,

I know not if you read the IHB or if someone will be kind enough to direct you here, but if you do or if they do, will you be buying property in 2010. And if so, will you please keep us informed as to what property you are buying so that we may see if you walk the walk or are just interested making commissions, and to see just how well you do with your analysis and subsequent predictions?

It seems that if you are bold enough to suggest how others risk their savings, future earnings, and credit, that you should be willing to do the same.
 
I saw that post at Lansner's blog too. I can't believe this guy peddles this kind of bullshit. By the time 2011 rolls around, he will not have any credibility left, so perhaps nobody will listen.
 
I keep saving the Steve "can't add properly, but they call me an economist" Thomas gems in PDF format. While he is no David Lereah when it comes to bottom calling, he definitely makes a strong case for the silver medal in consistently being wrong. I will be sure to send him the copies I have of how he was wrong a year from now, and do it again the next year.



Hey! Speaking of fake economists, has anyone heard from Gary Watts these days? He hasn't paid his web programmer to update his <a href="http://www.impactre.com/Forecast.html">website or his forecast</a>. I fell sorry for him, he seems kinda desperate when you click on the "rentals" link it takes you to his <a href="http://www.impactre.com/store.html">"store", where you can actually buy his infamous 2006 "Why the Bubble is Bogus!!!!!!!!"</a> DVD or CD. I almost want to buy one, nah... if I can't find a pirated version of it somewhere, then it isn't worth it. I mean, it is only fair to rip him off since he has been ripping off the public for years now, right?
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1227107037]I keep saving the Steve "can't add properly, but they call me an economist" Thomas gems in PDF format. While he is no David Lereah when it comes to bottom calling, he definitely makes a strong case for the silver medal in consistently being wrong. I will be sure to send him the copies I have of how he was wrong a year from now, and do it again the next year.



Hey! Speaking of fake economists, has anyone heard from Gary Watts these days? He hasn't paid his web programmer to update his <a href="http://www.impactre.com/Forecast.html">website or his forecast</a>. I fell sorry for him, he seems kinda desperate when you click on the "rentals" link it takes you to his <a href="http://www.impactre.com/store.html">"store", where you can actually buy his infamous 2006 "Why the Bubble is Bogus!!!!!!!!"</a> DVD or CD. I almost want to buy one, nah... if I can't find a pirated version of it somewhere, then it isn't worth it. I mean, it is only fair to rip him off since he has been ripping off the public for years now, right?</blockquote>


Graph, you should show up at one of His <a href="http://www.impactre.com/seminars.html">Seminars</a> and report back to us...I might even join you
 
[quote author="PeterUK" date=1227110366]Graph, you should show up at one of His <a href="http://www.impactre.com/seminars.html">Seminars</a> and report back to us...I might even join you</blockquote>


You know... if I could get more blokes like you, who aren't afraid to give a piece of their mind in public to the housing wankers like him, I would really love to go. I was thinking about going anyway, but since Gary hasn't paid his web programmer to update the time and place, I have to think about whether the google search is worth my time. Hell, even the ones who scheduled his dumba$$ might think twice about him, and just have canceled the event. I mean, if you are going to pay someone to speak, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0615226930">you might as well pay someone who has been right</a>.
 
As any fellow knife catcher can attest, any headline that has glimmers of hope for housing fills you with anticipation, even though in your heart of hearts you know the recovery just ain't around the corner. So of course yesterday morning when I saw that headline, I eagerly clicked on the article, but my heart sank the instant I saw Steve Thomas' name. :(
 
[quote author="stepping_up" date=1227148361]As any fellow knife catcher can attest, any headline that has glimmers of hope for housing fills you with anticipation, even though in your heart of hearts you know the recovery just ain't around the corner. So of course yesterday morning when I saw that headline, I eagerly clicked on the article, but my heart sank the instant I saw Steve Thomas' name. :(</blockquote>


I'm glad to add his name to my list of realtors to watch out. Before reading this thread, I did not recognize his name as in the same league as Gary Watts.
 
[quote author="WestparkRenter" date=1227158889][quote author="stepping_up" date=1227148361]As any fellow knife catcher can attest, any headline that has glimmers of hope for housing fills you with anticipation, even though in your heart of hearts you know the recovery just ain't around the corner. So of course yesterday morning when I saw that headline, I eagerly clicked on the article, but my heart sank the instant I saw Steve Thomas' name. :(</blockquote>


I'm glad to add his name to my list of realtors to watch out. Before reading this thread, I did not recognize his name as in the same league as Gary Watts.</blockquote>


I don't know why, but the Register has tapped him as one of the "experts" on the local housing market. Every article I read where they quote him and use his figures just doesn't make sense when you compare it to all the other experts.
 
Hmm, not sure why Thomas' analysis didn't include 'after all, the weather is great' and 'they aren't making anymore land.' He seems to be missing out on a couple of the big drivers of this upcoming rapid appreciation.
 
[quote author="WestparkRenter" date=1227158889][quote author="stepping_up" date=1227148361]As any fellow knife catcher can attest, any headline that has glimmers of hope for housing fills you with anticipation, even though in your heart of hearts you know the recovery just ain't around the corner. So of course yesterday morning when I saw that headline, I eagerly clicked on the article, but my heart sank the instant I saw Steve Thomas' name. :(</blockquote>


I'm glad to add his name to my list of realtors to watch out. Before reading this thread, I did not recognize his name as in the same league as Gary Watts.</blockquote>


You forgot Pat "That Donkey" Veling.



Eat some of this search boy.
 
I don't know why, but the Register has tapped him as one of the "experts" on the local housing market. Every article I read where they quote him and use his figures just doesn't make sense when you compare it to all the other experts.</blockquote>


stepping_up, I this is my theory.

Jon Lasner probably finds him easy to work with and likes Steve. One of the CFPs at my work is featured in the LA Times often. I would say a large part of the reason for that is this CFP graciously accomendates the reporter's many many demands.
 
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