Our new home (or how we learned to stop worrying and love this market)

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Mazy_IHB

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I know this thread is not exactly about a property in Irvine, but since I began in this section, I thought I concluded it here as well:

For years Irvine for us was nothing more than a few exit signs on 405 on our way south. Like many others, we heard about the schools and how great this place supposedly was later on and became somewhat interested once we decided to settle down in OC. We started our search for a home back in April 09, and to make a long story short, I think we got serious with one property in each major neighborhood: First it was 111 Nighthawk in Woodbridge, then 2 Castlebar in Oak Creek, then 25 Shepard in Woodbury, then 115 Ambiance in Quail Hill, then 17 Wandering Rill in TRock, and finally 2 Mohagony in Northwood Pointe, and somehow, none worked out. Well, it wasn't "somehow" to be exact; we put offers and the sellers or their agents didn't think our offers were worthy. Oh, BTW, there were a few short-sales here and there and I guess banks should still be working on our offers as I type this. Anyways, seeing the crazy market it was, we decided to wait till fall, and started looking for rental as we had to move to OC for job anyway.



While everything was arranged for our move, we accidentally saw this property in Newport Coast Tesoro community that we liked a lot and decided to give it a try. It all happened during a weekend, and thanks to USCtrojanman, we were in escrow on Monday. Fast forward a few weeks and as of last Wednesday, we officially own a piece of this holy land (ok, it's not Irvine, but it was planned and developed by TIC and all that parts us from Turtle Ridge is just a lovely small landfill!)



Interestingly, most people we talk with tells us that we should be happy buying our first home, but I can't deny that I am a bit nervous, knowing where this market is heading (I guess I should stop reading IHB from now on and just hide my head in sand, haha!) Anyways, at least I am glad that we made this decision with open eyes and we have tried to prepare ourselves emotionally for the future price drops. We bought our home for near $400/sq.ft which was a quite low comp for the neighborhood, but only time will tell where the bottom for 3000-3500 sq.ft SFRs in NC will be and I only can hope we won't end up losing most of our down-payment on the ride down. Boy do I miss renting already!



Ok, enough with the buyer's remorse. On the positive side, the house itself is very beautiful. We like the open, "lite & brite" floor plan, and the neighborhood is just gorgeous (I was mesmerized by the hills and ocean view first time driving out of the community). The main negative for us is one bedroom being a bit small. Also, the lot is pathetically tiny, but the backyard ends in greenbelt on rising hill and you don't see houses in back which is very nice and it seems as if the yard is much bigger. I'm no BKshopr, but based on my limited google fu skills, we seem to be ok feng shui-wise as well (cul-de-sac with no street coming towards the house, no 4 in street number, regular-shaped lot with rise in rear [so I guess we will be collecting all prosperity from the uphill neighbors, hehe!], no sh*t over head while entering the house, no stairway pointing toward the entry, no open flame on NW, no bathroom above kitchen, etc. Unfortunately we have a bedroom above garage, so I guess I have to put a few fountains here and there to negate that :P - Man, I didn't even know such a thing existed 3 months ago. Damn IHB!)



So here is our story becoming knife-catchers. We are now busy preparing for the big move in, checking out preschool programs, buying furniture and stuff, etc. I should add that I am really thankful to IHB community for all the helpful information. This was our first home buying experience in the US and we were absolutely clueless a few month ago when we were about to begin, but this blog/forum provided a great learning opportunity for us - thanks IR, zovall, and all members here who provide a valuable (and at many times, entertaining) public service (although I totally understand the IHB gurus giving us a big F for choosing to buy at this time, but this decision was not merely a financial one for us.) Also, USCtrojanman did a superb job representing us as our agent and we couldn't be happier with him (and his family ? you know, working with him, you get the whole package ;)). Thanks again and wish us luck in the bumpy ride ahead!
 
[quote author="Mazy" date=1249748983]

While everything was arranged for our move, we accidentally saw this property in Newport Coast Tesoro community that we liked a lot and decided to give it a try. It all happened during a weekend, and thanks to USCtrojanman, we were in escrow on Monday. Also, USCtrojanman did a superb job representing us as our agent and we couldn't be happier with him (and his family ? you know, working with him, you get the whole package ;)). Thanks again and wish us luck in the bumpy ride ahead!</blockquote>


Dang! Trojanman, you just won 10 brownie points from this authentic testimonial from Mazy.... :) Now, stop stealing business away from Deuce! Just Kidding.. Good job!
 
[quote author="JoonB" date=1249765363]Congratulations on your new home. Some of those homes on your list were on our list as well!</blockquote>


I was just talking about this with an IHB'er the other day -- if it hasn't happened already, unbeknownst to either party, I am pretty sure at some point us IHB'ers will be competing for the same properties.



Congrats, Mazy. You said this is the first time buying in the U.S. So, does this make you a mysterious FCB?? :)
 
You just bought an early BK design. Lots are very narrow and the shared drive was to overcome the garage dominant elevations. By de-emphasizing the garage the home is a lot more aesthetically pleasing. Good choice. The most prized neighborhoods in all of Socal are the ones with subordinate garage locations. There are 2 projects there one by Brookfield and the other by Stan Pac. I meant the Brookfield project. The Stan Pac was Brightwater related.
 
Congratulations. I don't think you need to justify yourself here. Everyone realizes that buying a home can be something other than a financial decision at times (Awgee and Graphrix excluded). Enjoy your bk approved home!
 
[quote author="PANDA" date=1249770105][quote author="Mazy" date=1249748983]

While everything was arranged for our move, we accidentally saw this property in Newport Coast Tesoro community that we liked a lot and decided to give it a try. It all happened during a weekend, and thanks to USCtrojanman, we were in escrow on Monday. Also, USCtrojanman did a superb job representing us as our agent and we couldn't be happier with him (and his family ? you know, working with him, you get the whole package ;)). Thanks again and wish us luck in the bumpy ride ahead!</blockquote>


Dang! Trojanman, you just won 10 brownie points from this authentic testimonial from Mazy.... :) Now, stop stealing business away from Deuce! Just Kidding.. Good job!</blockquote>


More true than you know, Panda. :-)

<em>My clients made an offer to lease the very same property (and subsequently found another). </em>

It's a great home and congratulations on all ends.



-IR2
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249779029]Congratulations. I don't think you need to justify yourself here. Everyone realizes that buying a home can be something other than a financial decision at times (Awgee and Graphrix excluded). Enjoy your bk approved home!</blockquote>


If you think that I think that buying a home is exclusively a financial decision, then you have either not read what I have written or you are selectively reading only that which fits your preconceived notions of what I think. I do not remember exactly, but I will guess that I have never told anybody that they are making a good or bad financial decision by buying a home. I think, (watch me get proved embarrassingly wrong now), that I have only and consistently pointed out that if they are buying and telling themselves that they will not mind if they lose 10%, then they are not being realistic and it is much more likely they will be losing 20% or 30% and will be upside down on their mortgage. And since I have been upside down on a mortgage, it is my opinion that it is much worse and bothersome than it sounds and since I am not different than anybody else, chances are that they will find being upside down is much more uncomfortable than they think.



Please do not misrepresent me.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1249787521][quote author="tmare" date=1249779029]Congratulations. I don't think you need to justify yourself here. Everyone realizes that buying a home can be something other than a financial decision at times (Awgee and Graphrix excluded). Enjoy your bk approved home!</blockquote>


If you think that I think that buying a home is exclusively a financial decision, then you have either not read what I have written or you are selectively reading only that which fits your preconceived notions of what I think. I do not remember exactly, but I will guess that I have never told anybody that they are making a good or bad financial decision by buying a home. I think, (watch me get proved embarrassingly wrong now), that I have only and consistently pointed out that if they are buying and telling themselves that they will not mind if they lose 10%, then they are not being realistic and it is much more likely they will be losing 20% or 30% and will be upside down on their mortgage. And since I have been upside down on a mortgage, it is my opinion that it is much worse and bothersome than it sounds and since I am not different than anybody else, chances are that they will find being upside down is much more uncomfortable than they think.



Please do not misrepresent me.</blockquote>


I don't think I misrepresented you in any way. I just think that there are some people who are much more critical of home buying because they are much more financially minded than others. Didn't say it was a bad thing, I think many of us wish we could think more like you do or wish we had the knowledge you have. Many of your points regarding the loss of equity have truly stuck with me, I guess that's why your name comes to mind when I think of people who look very intently at the economics of a home purchase. While I completely respect your opinions, I have to say that you kind of scare me.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249788556]I have to say that you kind of scare me.</blockquote>


What do you mean, tmare? What part is scary? As a current renter, a previous owner, and a future buyer, I feel empowered reading awgee's posts and the only part I find scary is that I (or someone like me) was a homeowner before I knew any of this. Now, that's scary.
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1249790548][quote author="tmare" date=1249788556]I have to say that you kind of scare me.</blockquote>


What do you mean, tmare? What part is scary? As a current renter, a previous owner, and a future buyer, I feel empowered reading awgee's posts and the only part I find scary is that I (or someone like me) was a homeowner before I knew any of this. Now, that's scary.</blockquote>


Maybe I mean intimidating.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249790592][quote author="SoCal78" date=1249790548][quote author="tmare" date=1249788556]I have to say that you kind of scare me.</blockquote>


What do you mean, tmare? What part is scary? As a current renter, a previous owner, and a future buyer, I feel empowered reading awgee's posts and the only part I find scary is that I (or someone like me) was a homeowner before I knew any of this. Now, that's scary.</blockquote>


Maybe I mean intimidating.</blockquote>


Sadly, he is not the same in person. He is one of the least intimidating people I have met from IHB. Ironically, he is also one of the happiest, most friendly, and brightly optimistic people too. I think IHB brings out his dark side. Now... no_vas... that freak of nature is a whole other story, until you start talking with him. Online persona's tend to be... well... online persona's. If we could ever drag awgee away from his kids some evening, it would be great to have you meet him. And... he won't steal your beer like some of the more non-scary posters around here. Those are the ones you really have to watch out for.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1249791380][quote author="tmare" date=1249790592][quote author="SoCal78" date=1249790548][quote author="tmare" date=1249788556]I have to say that you kind of scare me.</blockquote>


What do you mean, tmare? What part is scary? As a current renter, a previous owner, and a future buyer, I feel empowered reading awgee's posts and the only part I find scary is that I (or someone like me) was a homeowner before I knew any of this. Now, that's scary.</blockquote>


Maybe I mean intimidating.</blockquote>


Sadly, he is not the same in person. He is one of the least intimidating people I have met from IHB. Ironically, he is also one of the happiest, most friendly, and brightly optimistic people too. I think IHB brings out his dark side. Now... no_vas... that freak of nature is a whole other story, until you start talking with him. Online persona's tend to be... well... online persona's. If we could ever drag awgee away from his kids some evening, it would be great to have you meet him. And... he won't steal your beer like some of the more non-scary posters around here. Those are the ones you really have to watch out for.</blockquote>


Perfect example is Graphix. I tell everyone I meet in Irvine... "He is a real mean dude on IHB!" and they tell me... Ahhh Panda, he is not like that when you meet him in person. I yet to find out if this is true or not. Tmare, Yeah, Awgee is a real sweet guy. Maybe he was just having a bad day in the morning.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1249791380][quote author="tmare" date=1249790592][quote author="SoCal78" date=1249790548]

What do you mean, tmare? What part is scary? As a current renter, a previous owner, and a future buyer, I feel empowered reading awgee's posts and the only part I find scary is that I (or someone like me) was a homeowner before I knew any of this. Now, that's scary.</blockquote>


Maybe I mean intimidating.</blockquote>


Sadly, he is not the same in person. He is one of the least intimidating people I have met from IHB. Ironically, he is also one of the happiest, most friendly, and brightly optimistic people too. I think IHB brings out his dark side. Now... no_vas... that freak of nature is a whole other story, until you start talking with him. Online persona's tend to be... well... online persona's. If we could ever drag awgee away from his kids some evening, it would be great to have you meet him. And... he won't steal your beer like some of the more non-scary posters around here. Those are the ones you really have to watch out for.</blockquote>
Agreed, I have had the pleasure of meeting Awgee in person and he is a great guy and could have talked to him for hours (not quite the same persona as he online personality).
 
[quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1249779389][quote author="PANDA" date=1249770105]



Dang! Trojanman, you just won 10 brownie points from this authentic testimonial from Mazy.... :) Now, stop stealing business away from Deuce! Just Kidding.. Good job!</blockquote>


More true than you know, Panda. :-)

<em>My clients made an offer to lease the very same property (and subsequently found another). </em>

It's a great home and congratulations on all ends.



-IR2</blockquote>
It was only a matter of time before you'd find him a replacement property. I'm still waiting for you to get that great listing in Westpark so we can do a transaction together. I'm bringing extra beers for you. ;)
 
[quote author="Mazy" date=1249748983] Also, USCtrojanman did a superb job representing us as our agent and we couldn't be happier with him (and his family ? you know, working with him, you get the whole package ;)). Thanks again and wish us luck in the bumpy ride ahead!</blockquote>
The pleasure was all mine, you guys were great to deal with and as I stated if you guys ever need anything just call. My parents both told me that it is a gorgeous home and asked how the hell was I so lucky to get you guys as my clients. I told them easy...it was all about the IHB. :cheese:



We had an interesting journey to finding to the home, dealing with some good and non so good agents but in the end we were able to find the right one for the right price. There were a few bumpy moments during the transaction, but nothing that couldn't have been taken care of quickly and we were fortunate to be dealing with a reasonable listing agent. I hope that you guys enjoy the beautiful home for many, many years to come.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249788556][quote author="awgee" date=1249787521][quote author="tmare" date=1249779029]Congratulations. I don't think you need to justify yourself here. Everyone realizes that buying a home can be something other than a financial decision at times (Awgee and Graphrix excluded). Enjoy your bk approved home!</blockquote>


If you think that I think that buying a home is exclusively a financial decision, then you have either not read what I have written or you are selectively reading only that which fits your preconceived notions of what I think. I do not remember exactly, but I will guess that I have never told anybody that they are making a good or bad financial decision by buying a home. I think, (watch me get proved embarrassingly wrong now), that I have only and consistently pointed out that if they are buying and telling themselves that they will not mind if they lose 10%, then they are not being realistic and it is much more likely they will be losing 20% or 30% and will be upside down on their mortgage. And since I have been upside down on a mortgage, it is my opinion that it is much worse and bothersome than it sounds and since I am not different than anybody else, chances are that they will find being upside down is much more uncomfortable than they think.



Please do not misrepresent me.</blockquote>


I don't think I misrepresented you in any way. I just think that there are some people who are much more critical of home buying because they are much more financially minded than others. Didn't say it was a bad thing, I think many of us wish we could think more like you do or wish we had the knowledge you have. Many of your points regarding the loss of equity have truly stuck with me, I guess that's why your name comes to mind when I think of people who look very intently at the economics of a home purchase. While I completely respect your opinions, I have to say that you kind of scare me.</blockquote>


IMO, I am not critical of home buying, nor do I have much to say about someone buying a home. What I have been saying is that folks make incorrect financial assumptions and they do not have to make those assumptions. There is now current and accurate info and folks no longer have to depend on the supposed experts.
 
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