National Merit semi final
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SAT + Music + Martial arts + Yogurtland seems to be the mix, along with a grocery store in the vicinity. Go Irvine
Nothing to be sad about. I have no doubt these motivated students (and many more who were not Merit Finalists) will find their place in the world and will hopefully achieve their dreams.
There is more to a meaningful life than acceptance to an Ivy League / Top 10 University.
You pay more, but it's worth it because other people value it and will pay for your old one after you're done with it. I just made a mistake of going from a 5 back down to a 4.
Sports are just as bad. The kid better be playing year round club ball by the time they're 8 or they're left behind.
But yes, when 7% of the senior class get's perfect scores on the SAT, it's a sign there is massive prep work going on. They're smart, they're hardworking, and they've had the living daylights prepped out of them.
cubiczirconia
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Do I see a familiar name there? If so, congrats to the young lady
irvinehomeowner
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For those who might be paywall blocked... the breakdown of the numbers is interesting:
Note: Troy is a magnet school, so they get the best of the best not just in Fullerton.
104 are from Irvine, almost 40%... no wonder the Unicorn homes cost so much.
Note: Troy is a magnet school, so they get the best of the best not just in Fullerton.
cubiczirconia
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bones said:
SAT + Music + Martial arts + Yogurtland seems to be the mix, along with a grocery store in the vicinity. Go Irvine
irvinehomeowner
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In the past, Woodbridge has had more athletic success than the other schools... not too sure in recent years.
There were only 5 from Woodbridge High, 13 from Irvine High and 16 from Beckman (based on my manual count). There was also 2 from Tarbut V'Torah and 1 homeschooler in Irvine.
There were only 5 from Woodbridge High, 13 from Irvine High and 16 from Beckman (based on my manual count). There was also 2 from Tarbut V'Torah and 1 homeschooler in Irvine.
irvinehomeshopper
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IHO just depreciated the expensive side of Orchard Hills by short changing his count on Beckman by one.
irvinehomeshopper
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The sad reality is less than 6 from each schools historically have been admitted to the top private colleges regardless of the 50 impressive high scorers.
iacrenter
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irvinehomeshopper said:
Nothing to be sad about. I have no doubt these motivated students (and many more who were not Merit Finalists) will find their place in the world and will hopefully achieve their dreams.
There is more to a meaningful life than acceptance to an Ivy League / Top 10 University.
irvinehomeowner
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Hence why I was not a National Merit semifinalist... and never recruited by Hahvahd.irvinehomeshopper said:
irvinehomeshopper
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Are you kidding me! Spending my life saving on a no yard house in IUSD so my kid could just end up at UCR or UC Merced!
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irvinehomeshopper
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If saving money is the goal then why spend money just to be in IUSD? Property Tax, MR, HOA, cost of retail and services are higher than norm.
irvinehomeshopper
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You are so right. My neighborhood was like a musical chair of neighbors seeking the best IUSD for children to fulfill Ivy dream.
irvinehomeowner
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This goes back to my iPhone analogy from 1928 on a different planet...Tyler Durden said:
You pay more, but it's worth it because other people value it and will pay for your old one after you're done with it. I just made a mistake of going from a 5 back down to a 4.
nosuchreality
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Tyler Durden said:
Sports are just as bad. The kid better be playing year round club ball by the time they're 8 or they're left behind.
But yes, when 7% of the senior class get's perfect scores on the SAT, it's a sign there is massive prep work going on. They're smart, they're hardworking, and they've had the living daylights prepped out of them.
nosuchreality
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IHS, did you delete a post or is it elsewhere. I see it quoted in Tyler's note, but don't see it above. Good job on raising your child to do well.
I'm curious what your take is on the balance between what I see as the three factors in high scoring:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Personal aptitude
[*]School educating level/peer group aspiration level
[*]Preparation/Tutoring/Summer School
[/list]
There's a blood, sweat and tears factor of the hard work, but let's table that for a minute. Part of that is in the Prep/Tutor item and how steep the curve becomes for incremental gains.
The score range is going to be some combination of the personal aptitude and school educating level plus the preparation and peer group factor.. Is the preparation 10 points or 100 points or in the Irvine case (4 years of prep/summers,) 200 or 300 points?
i.e. Does it matter if your kid his very advanced/gifted if they're in a school that is teaching to average where the majority of students don't aspire to score high and get in top ranked schools.
Let's think hypothetical and see if you guys follow what I'm thinking about. Let's say you have an above average student from an intelligence standpoint, all things being equal, you'd potentially expect the average intelligence kid to score a 1600, the above average kid say, 2000, the gifted kid, 2400. (I know it's not an IQ test, but you hopefully get what I'm driving at, the innate aptitude of kid, positions them for a a higher or lower score, to a certain point. Maybe it's only 1600, 1700 and 1800. That's really the question I'm gearing towards, the balance between innate intelligence, school and prep contribution to the score. I personally, think prep is far greater than anyone thinks.
Then there's school level / peer group level. Maybe that should be a * and not a / okay enough bad math jokes. i.e hypothetically, say, Irvine Uni high is teaching to a 1902. Troy is teaching to a 1917. Maybe in AP classes they're teaching say 2300 level in Uni and Troy. Santa Ana High is teaching to a 1285 overall, AP I don't know. School is also huge, if you're in a school teaching to say the 2000 level in AP, it's hard to bridge those other 500 points on your own.
Then there's peer group. Is your kid part of the peer group that is focused on getting a 2500, or they just general competitive AP and 'score high' focus, say 2300, or they hanging with the average students, 1900.
Finally the prep factor. Can a 1600 aptitude kid, in the power school, i.e. Irvine Uni, drive to the 2500? Can the school lift them that much? Can school and massive prep lift them that much? If you took the kids in Santa Ana High and ran them with the same level of outside prep that the Irvine Uni HS parents run, what would be their average scores? If you just dropped the Santa Ana High AP students into Uni High without the outside support what would happen? i.e IS Irvine Uni high basically running a program that is assuming the kids are getting 4-8 hours of outside tutoring.
In the end does it matter? Is your kid better over going to ScrewUp High and getting a higher GPA and 'good' SAT versus a tougher GPA and better SAT? Here's UCLA admission metrics
I'm curious what your take is on the balance between what I see as the three factors in high scoring:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Personal aptitude
[*]School educating level/peer group aspiration level
[*]Preparation/Tutoring/Summer School
[/list]
There's a blood, sweat and tears factor of the hard work, but let's table that for a minute. Part of that is in the Prep/Tutor item and how steep the curve becomes for incremental gains.
The score range is going to be some combination of the personal aptitude and school educating level plus the preparation and peer group factor.. Is the preparation 10 points or 100 points or in the Irvine case (4 years of prep/summers,) 200 or 300 points?
i.e. Does it matter if your kid his very advanced/gifted if they're in a school that is teaching to average where the majority of students don't aspire to score high and get in top ranked schools.
Let's think hypothetical and see if you guys follow what I'm thinking about. Let's say you have an above average student from an intelligence standpoint, all things being equal, you'd potentially expect the average intelligence kid to score a 1600, the above average kid say, 2000, the gifted kid, 2400. (I know it's not an IQ test, but you hopefully get what I'm driving at, the innate aptitude of kid, positions them for a a higher or lower score, to a certain point. Maybe it's only 1600, 1700 and 1800. That's really the question I'm gearing towards, the balance between innate intelligence, school and prep contribution to the score. I personally, think prep is far greater than anyone thinks.
Then there's school level / peer group level. Maybe that should be a * and not a /
okay enough bad math jokes. i.e hypothetically, say, Irvine Uni high is teaching to a 1902. Troy is teaching to a 1917. Maybe in AP classes they're teaching say 2300 level in Uni and Troy. Santa Ana High is teaching to a 1285 overall, AP I don't know. School is also huge, if you're in a school teaching to say the 2000 level in AP, it's hard to bridge those other 500 points on your own.Then there's peer group. Is your kid part of the peer group that is focused on getting a 2500, or they just general competitive AP and 'score high' focus, say 2300, or they hanging with the average students, 1900.
Finally the prep factor. Can a 1600 aptitude kid, in the power school, i.e. Irvine Uni, drive to the 2500? Can the school lift them that much? Can school and massive prep lift them that much? If you took the kids in Santa Ana High and ran them with the same level of outside prep that the Irvine Uni HS parents run, what would be their average scores? If you just dropped the Santa Ana High AP students into Uni High without the outside support what would happen? i.e IS Irvine Uni high basically running a program that is assuming the kids are getting 4-8 hours of outside tutoring.
In the end does it matter? Is your kid better over going to ScrewUp High and getting a higher GPA and 'good' SAT versus a tougher GPA and better SAT? Here's UCLA admission metrics