Irvine no longer on "Best Places to Live" list

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amadelle_IHB

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<p>Greetings,</p>

<p>When I came down to Irvine in 2001 Irvine was selected as one of the best places to live in money magazine. This year however, we are not even in the top 100.


Here is the link: <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/index.html">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/index.html</a>


Here are Irvine stats: <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/snapshots/PL0636770.html">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/snapshots/PL0636770.html</a></p>

<p>I do not have the stats from 2001, but I do remember that back then (2001), Irvine's crime rate was A LOT lower. Also, the median house price vs. median income was more reasonable. Some of the best places to live on this list have higher Median Income than Irvine and pretty much ALL of them have much lower median home prices. Sure our schools are much much better, but how long will that last with such a fast population growth?</p>
 
<p>amadelle,</p>

<p>these lists are ridiculous. like the 100 most beautiful people. c'mon now. what are you going to do with this new found knowledge? go and convince an irvine homeowner that they should lower the selling price? because of this list...</p>
 
<p>These lists are not the same as beauty contests which are subjective. They are an objective pooling of key facts and measures based on statistically derived empirical data. These can be used to intelligently weigh factors into a home buying decision. My point is, that in this current time of housing stress, homes in Irvine are not <strong><em>as</em></strong> appealing as the price may suggest, especially when comparing "like" communities across America.</p>

<p>... so "convince a homeowner that they should lower the selling price?" ... well, not exactly ...you can be a lot<strong> more tactful</strong> (and less <strong>annoying</strong>) than that. But, with this information, a buyer should be more insightful of <em>bargains</em>.</p>

<p>Caveat emptor!</p>

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<p>subjective? all lists are subjective. they are meant for discussion. if you choose to use it, as in this case to help your bargaining power, so be it.</p>

<p>but to believe in this stuff is to be naive!</p>

<p>i wanted to point out the "fact" that IRVINE is a big place. like every city, there are nice places to live, and there are not so nice places to live, within the city. and if i wanted to live in irvine in 2001, it's not because some stupid magazine said that it was in the top 100 places to live. </p>

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RickHunter.....I think you are taking it all out of context. One of the many arguments that bulls use on this blog is that Irvine and the OC is "such a desirable" place to live that housing prices will never go down.





You can argue either way that this survey is subjective or objective....although many of its metrics are quantifiable.....the point being, Irvine is not getting as much attention as it once did when housing was skyrocketing.
 
<p>I think all of you guys should read the following article from last Sunday's NY Times...</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/realestate/06cov.html?_r=1&oref=slogin">The Guy Who Picks the Best Places to Live</a> </p>
 
<p>crucialtaunt - thanks for the article...</p>

<p>below is an excerpt from it that i was trying to communicate for people like me, that have been in this area all my life. i dont need to look at a magazine to tell me that it's a great place to live or not. although i still think that housing is way too expensive here, i cannot justify leaving it for any amount of money since i am biased. nor would i expect a seller to negotiate down. he or she can negotiate with me based on other factors but not off subjective magazine, list.</p>

<p><strong>“These studies are a snapshot, but some people take it as gospel. It’s very important that they do their own research — get local newspapers, stay in a place for at least a week.”</strong></p>

<p>BUT, for outside people that would like to move here, or anywhere else, I can see where it would be beneficial, and a good start, to look at a list like this.</p>
 
(From crucialant's article)


“California is a wonderful place to live, but housing is sky-high,” Mr. Sperling said. “What pushed them to the bottom was the high housing cost — and you don’t get great weather, no college towns, there’s not much else to offset it.”





This is probably the biggest reason Irvine dropped off of the list. The absurd housing prices combined with the Sperling's new emphasis on housing prices probably offset the other "desirable" aspects of the city, causing it to fall off the list.
 
Sorry, but in my opinion, Irvine's population has increased too much too fast. That has equated to more crime, including more murders. Traffic is unbearable compared to years past, and hot dammit, I miss the orange groves that used to surround the city. Neighbors used to spend time together, but now residents here appear to be more concerned with getting the latest SL55 than being neighborly.
 
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