Foreign Money (Korean especially) from Asian Countries in Irvine

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OCMan_IHB

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<p>This question is for those experts in Ecomony, Finance, and RE.</p>

<p>I know money from Asian countries has been coming to So Cal, especially Irvine to gobble up many houses and other real estate properities. Recently I heard that South Koreans would no longer need to have a visa to come to US starting 09/2008. This is only tourists visa so no immigration issue there, however, the RE in South Korea is out of whack. 1500 ~ 1800 sq ft high rise apartments can go up to $1mil. If they sell their apt and homes and come here, they can buy a same size condo in irvine for about $600k with cash and start a small business with left over money. There are also a big rumor that US will attack North Korea this year for not keeping all the promises to clean up their nuclear weapon stuff. With that threat, I'm pretty sure many well to do Koreans will try to escape to US. </p>

<p><strong>My question:</strong> Since RE is very local, if big money start flowing into Irvine (while the rest of US may suffer from further down turn of housing market), would we still see 30 to 50 % additional reduction and housing market bottoming around 2011 or 2012? I know this is a big IF question and may not even put a dent but since I have no background in such a forecasting, I would be very interested to hear others' opinion. </p>

<p>I keep heraing the inventory being 13 or 14 months, but not sure if foreigners purchasing these homes would or would not make any differences. I myself am an asian american (naturalized) who went through tough early immigration phase (our family wiated many years back in the home country and got the green cards at LAX when we arrived). We worked very hard and paid a lot of taxes to save and accumulate enough to get a good home for our family. I honestly would be ticked off if foreign big hands "mess" up the housing correction and ruin it for many who's been patiently waiting for sanity to come back in housing market.</p>
 
I wonder what the real estate market in California would have been like if only those people who were born in California were able to buy homes here.








(I know my statement sounds stupid but so does the one above)
 
<p><em>OC Man: "I know money from Asian countries has been coming to So Cal, especially Irvine to gobble up many houses and other real estate properties."</em></p>

<p>Do you have any references to support this or back this up with data? "Gobble up" sounds too hard to believe and realtor-troll-speak trying to stir up the market?? This place is certainly not a trophy area analogous to the Japanese buyout of the Rockfeller Center in NY in the '80's...</p>

<p>I think this is a BS thread. Kill it.</p>
 
Hey. I want to add too. I hear that a lot of Communist Vietnamese are buying real estate in Westminster. Being that they hold all the wealth back in Vietnam, they are transfering their assets to real estate and businesses in Westminster. Why? Because they fear that Communism would eventually collapse back in Vietnam, so they are making their exit now. And being that Westminster is 35% Vietnamese, I think this could affect the housing prices there. What do you guys think?
 
OCMan,





What you've described will have (already have?) an impact on properties around LA Koreatown, but not significant to Irvine at this time.





To anyone who's used to the East Asian city-urban life, Irvine is dead after 9pm and quite boring.
 
Many <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-houston21dec21,0,3054899.story?coll=la-home-center">Vietnamese are leaving the O.C</a>. for places like Houston because of... gasp... high housing prices!
 
"To anyone who's used to the East Asian city-urban life, Irvine is dead after 9pm and quite boring."



I agree but you can say this about most of orange county. Except for some entertainment spots that stand out.

As for west irvine, there is the irvine/tustin market place and the sprectrum.



As for communist vietnamese money coming into westminster. There are alot of vietnamese in westminster

going back to vietnam and a lot of money coming back into westminster. But this has been happening since the 80's.

I think the times are easing the strains of business relationships.
 
<p>"There are also a big rumor that US will attack North Korea this year for not keeping all the promises to clean up their nuclear weapon stuff. With that threat, I'm pretty sure many well to do Koreans will try to escape to US."</p>

<p>There is only one well-to-do Korean in N. Korea - the leader.</p>
 
<p>What I can tell you, is that some Sout Koreans bought at the peak of the bubble, and yes with 20% or more cash downpayment.


I have anecdotal evidence from the new communities: Tustin Field, Villages of Columbus.





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<p>Rich foreigner do not buy in Irvine. </p>

<p>Rich Koreans buy or rent in Koreatown. Rent there is outrageous. It is like Manhattan for Koreans.</p>

<p>Rich Chinese/Taiwanese buy in the San Gabriel Valley and Rowland Heights Area. They want to be in Pasadena, San Marino, Rowland Height Hills, and Arcadia. </p>

<p>Rich Japanese stay in Japan or buy in west L.A.</p>

<p>Rich Arabs buy New York and London.</p>

<p>This is such a B.S. issue. In the late 1980s when the Japaneses were "buying up everything", did they buy in the OC or the Valley. No, they bought in the "chic" places. Foreigners who come in to buy RE in the U.S. do it for prestige not for investment purposes. A SFR in Irvine does not give prestige. </p>

<p>Most of the Asians in Irvine are 1.5 (or first) generation who did well but not spectular. Those who did spectular buy in Newport or Pasadena. </p>

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The propensity of foreigners to become bagholders is pretty well documented:




<a href="http://piggington.com/the_dumb_money">The Dumb Money</a>

Every time this issue comes up in a thread, I post the link above.
 
You are asking someone who lives here in Korea to pack up their lives and move to another country, find a new job, make new friends, etc. Even if the real estate values in the US might seem like a bargain to those who live in Korea, it also means they must pick up and move which is never easy. Even if the visa restriction is lifted, it is likely that those on the lower end of the totem pole will be on the move, not the ones who are settled and comfortable with their lives here in Korea. I have serious doubts of a wave of Koreans or others who make their way to the US, especially when values are depreciating.





One more thing of note: I read the papers and talk to family members here in Korea, and they all feel the effects of subprime lending as well. I doubt much risk taking will take place when the times seem so uncertain.
 
<em>Momopi said " To anyone who's used to the East Asian city-urban life, Irvine is dead after 9pm and quite boring."





</em>I agree. One of the things I love when I'm in Asia is you can go out late / midnight+ and restaurants & coffee places are packed!





As a side comment, I did notice there are a lot more Koreans in the Metro-Manila area compared to last time I was there.
 
<strong>I was going to say, it has been a while since the "Rich Asians will save Irvine Real Estate" fallacy has been floated. Thanks for giving me my fix!</strong>





<img src="http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~vsa/pics/bd/9.jpg" alt="" />


<strong><em>They, and they alone are the only hope for Irvine Real Estate!</em></strong>
 
Um... I've been living in OC for the last 26 years. Will my money ever be considered non-foreign, or non ethnic-prefix?

 
<p>If I'm a Korean who has 600000 dollars cash, I would not be stupid and put it all down and buy a SFR in Irvine. </p>

<p>I would be smart and put 20-30 down and buy a million dollar home in newport beach and take a 15 yr loan so I can still live rich and not doomed. </p>
 
<p>And bTW - not related to the discussion but related to the picture above. Do you think the guy on the left put his hand by himself on her hip or did she pull his hand and place it on her hip. </p>

<p>well - I just had to ask it !</p>
 
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