Do you own the land in Irvine?

NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program

frank69m_IHB

New member
Can someone explain this to me? Is it only certain areas? Is it a 99 year lease?



What about Tustin Ranch?



I keep reading about this, but have no formal confirmation.
 
Actually... Donald Bren has gotten around the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_simple">typical fee simple title</a> holding aspect. In 99 years, like Jesus, he is going to rise from the dead and take back all the land in Irvine. Only those that were housing bulls in 90s and the current bubble will be granted acceptance to the Bren like heaven that Irvine is. If you were bearish in either period... you will not be accepted. All the bitter renters will be sent directly to housing hell, with ever increasing rent rates from the angelic bulls of Irvine. If you do not believe that housing prices in Irvine will go up, then you will be doomed to a life of housing hell. If you do not repent to the lord Donald Bren, then in 99 years you will be subjected to the four horseman...



The pale horse of death (Lennar) will either accept you or kill you. Since they are near death... then don't expect them to show up.



The black horse of famine (John Laing), as they are oil money (black) and would starve you of their oil supplies, that is only fitting. Of course you will also suffer from bad feng shui.



The red horse of war (William Lyon, the little general would be so proud), and you will be forced to buy one of his condos, or take a plane ride, with Bill Lyon as pilot, in a B52 over Iraq. Then he will make you parachute out of the plane to assess the damage, and do it all over again the next day, the next day...



The white horse of conquest is Donald "God" Bren himself, and no one knows what he is capable of doing, but it should be feared. Because, the land is all his now... none of you own anything... he owns it all...



Or... you could try...



http://img701.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/07/22/searchforanswers-fiy9nmvm.png
 
<blockquote>The pale horse of death (Lennar) will either accept you or kill you. Since they are near death? then don?t expect them to show up.



The black horse of famine (John Laing), as they are oil money (black) and would starve you of their oil supplies, that is only fitting. Of course you will also suffer from bad feng shui.



The red horse of war (William Lyon, the little general would be so proud), and you will be forced to buy one of his condos, or take a plane ride, with Bill Lyon as pilot, in a B52 over Iraq. Then he will make you parachute out of the plane to assess the damage, and do it all over again the next day, the next day?



The white horse of conquest is Donald ?God? Bren himself, and no one knows what he is capable of doing, but it should be feared. Because, the land is all his now? none of you own anything? he owns it all? </blockquote>


If I wasn't on a restricted network right now I would so post a certain "4 horses" Youtube.
 
Chances are that if you haven't bought a while back... then no.

Otherwise you have a 99 year lease.... best to sell it quickly before it goes back.



-bix
 
Well, the point here isn't trying to be sarcastic. Yes, 99 years is a long time, but it i nice to hier something to your grandkids..





Is Tustin Ranch in the same situation?
 
Ya. I want to know...anyone?





Do you own your land if you purchase in Irvine? If only parts, how can we tell? What about Tustin Ranch?
 
[quote author="frank69m" date=1216784434]Well, the point here isn't trying to be sarcastic. Yes, 99 years is a long time, but it i nice to hier something to your grandkids..





Is Tustin Ranch in the same situation?</blockquote>


I don't necessarily think that Graph was being sarcastic, but pointing out that if you heard the rumor, you are probably not the only one to ask about it. I just did a search for it (<em>using this site's advanced search function</em> - upper right corner) using the word "lease" and found it quickly.



What I will tell you is that this rumor has a longer life than Don Bren's future ghost.
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1216785872][quote author="frank69m" date=1216784434]Well, the point here isn't trying to be sarcastic. Yes, 99 years is a long time, but it i nice to hier something to your grandkids..





Is Tustin Ranch in the same situation?</blockquote>


I don't necessarily think that Graph was being sarcastic, but pointing out that if you heard the rumor, you are probably not the only one to ask about it. I just did a search for it (<em>using this site's advanced search function</em> - upper right corner) using the word "lease" and found it quickly.



What I will tell you is that this rumor has a longer life than Don Bren's future ghost.</blockquote>




call me web challenged, but I just did that search and got a number of pages. Sifted thru and couldn't find anything on



Irvine and not owning the last because of the Irvine Company 99 year lease
 
[quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1216809168]Here you go, Frank.



Link to thread... <a href="http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/forums/viewthread/151/"><strong>here</strong></a></blockquote>


Thanks, IR2. I was hoping to <a href="http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/2279.html">teach a man to fish</a>, but was going to give him one if unsuccessful by the time I got home from work.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Condo versus SFR is a critical distinction here.



With a Condo, technically, you don't own the land (exclusively). You own the space from the studs/frame on in with maintenance responsibilities for some exterior conditions. In townhomes and low-rise building these are typically poorly spelled out and often result in tenant disputes 10+ years down the road as improvements are done and some are paid for because they are common area visible and some aren't.



It's also important in the event of large scale disaster such as wild fire burning the complex to the ground. I believe you have rights to the lot below your space but cannot rebuild without the entire complex buy in.



Liz, Graph, Bk, anybody? help here please.
 
For an attached dwelling you (usually, check the title) own a certain number of "volumes of air" plus a % ownership in the land beneath the structure (if there are 8 condos in the building then you own an undivided 1/8th interest in the land under that structure), and an undivided percent interest of the common areas (if there are 64 units, then you own an undivided 1/64 of the common area). <em>That said,</em> check your title. I think for some condos the association (a nonprofit under the Corporations Code) may own all of the common area and may or may not own the land under the structure. As the condo owner, you will be a member of the association. <em>But, as always, check the title and read the CC&Rs;, as these things vary from development to development, and like clothing, the fashion for how these things are structured changes over time.</em>



There is a big difference, however, between holding title in fee simple to "volumes of air" and a lease.



I know we have discussed this before. I would suggest trying the search function (<em>hint: use the advanced feature and "volumes of air"</em>).
 
Thanks Eva, unfortunately, the volumes of air search only returns four hits, of which basically one is valid and has as much information as we've shared. You were the poster BTW. :-)



I'm more interested in how unlike 'ownership' the volumes of air ownership is when you are an issue with a complex that has one or more HOAs. This is what another poster referred to with the CC&Rs;.



For example, in a prior place I owned, the complex was townhomes constructed of basically large duplexes sharing a common central wall between two owners. The complex had 70 total units. As you note, for the common areas, I had a 1/70th 'ownership'. For my space I had the volumes of air. As another noted, due to the CC&Rs;, my ownership had few of the perceived benefits of 'ownership' other than a legal 'onwership' right to the space. That's another story.



What is interesting to me, is some of the dynamics of the insurance, replacement when something happens to the structure itself. Large scale complex destruction or more problematically, single unit destruction. Hypothetically, let's use the example of my former complex. Say your neighbor likes to relax on Friday nights after work by downing some beers, having some friends over and louging in the community jacuzzi. Said same neighbors smoke like fish when they're drinking. Let' pretend there's an accidental fire that burns the duplex down.



Anybody got guesses on how long it'll take to get your townhome rebuilt? This is were ownership differs. I can't rebuild. The HOA has to rebuild. I can't rebuild what I want, the HOA will rebuild what was there (unless I've got pull with the HOA. :-) ) etc.



That said, yes, there's a world of difference between leased land and 'volumes of air'. Although I suspect when people say you don't 'own' the land they really mean the problems associated with HOAs.
 
[quote author="effenheimer" date=1205708690]Guys, do everything you can get the word out that nobody in Irvine owns their land, OK? Tustin homesellers implore you to act! Save the Tustin FB?s! </blockquote>


Looks as though it worked
 
[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1216856223]There is a big difference, however, between holding title in fee simple to "volumes of air" and a lease.



I know we have discussed this before. I would suggest trying the search function (<em>hint: use the advanced feature and "volumes of air"</em>).</blockquote>


And... in 99 years when Donald Bren is resurrected he will take back not only the land, but also take all the volumes of your air. Leaving you no chance to pay him to lease the land back as you suffocate from the lack of air you thought you owned.
 
Sounds like you might need some Perri-Air in 99 years.



<object width="325" height="250"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/youtube" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="325" height="250"></embed></object>
 
Back
Top