Counter offer from seller - Disburse earnest money before close?

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We are in negotiations on a house and the counter we received from the seller has a stipulation to have the escrow company disburse the earnest money to him as soon as all contingencies (loan, appraisal, inspection) are removed.



According to the listing agent, the seller is short on liquid funds and needs the money for rental deposits, moving, and other expenses. This is NOT a short sale. We asked how the seller is able to pay the mortgage if he doesn't even have enough funds for this and the listing agent responded that the seller did a loan modification and has just enough to make the monthly payments but needs some more liquid funds, just in case they're needed before he gets the funds after close.



This would all happen after 17 days or whenever we have removed all contingencies, whichever is later. So, from my understanding, the earnest money would be effectively non-refundable to us anyway at that point. I understand that if things fall through before close and it's the seller's fault, we would have to get the seller to return the money (which could be nice and easy or may require a lawsuit).



Do you experts have any thoughts on this? I have not heard of this before, so we are a little nervous about the additional risk. The earnest money is about $10,000 so it's a substantial amount. We are otherwise getting a great price on the house, et cetera, so we don't want to turn the deal down because of this - unless we're missing something here.



Thanks for the help!
 
[quote author="popak" date=1238859415]We are in negotiations on a house and the counter we received from the seller has a stipulation to have the escrow company disburse the earnest money to him as soon as all contingencies (loan, appraisal, inspection) are removed.



According to the listing agent, the seller is short on liquid funds and needs the money for rental deposits, moving, and other expenses. This is NOT a short sale. We asked how the seller is able to pay the mortgage if he doesn't even have enough funds for this and the listing agent responded that the seller did a loan modification and has just enough to make the monthly payments but needs some more liquid funds, just in case they're needed before he gets the funds after close.



This would all happen after 17 days or whenever we have removed all contingencies, whichever is later. So, from my understanding, the earnest money would be effectively non-refundable to us anyway at that point. I understand that if things fall through before close and it's the seller's fault, we would have to get the seller to return the money (which could be nice and easy or may require a lawsuit).



Do you experts have any thoughts on this? I have not heard of this before, so we are a little nervous about the additional risk. The earnest money is about $10,000 so it's a substantial amount. We are otherwise getting a great price on the house, et cetera, so we don't want to turn the deal down because of this - unless we're missing something here.



Thanks for the help!</blockquote>


Funds are disbursed after escrow is closed, not before. Tell the listing broker to lend his clients HIS money before closing and see how that floats.

Congrats and good luck.

-IR2
 
[quote author="popak" date=1238897775]Thank you, guys. We'll talk to our realtor about this today.</blockquote>
The buyer on my condo had escrow disbursed the 3% earnest deposit to me AFTER they took possession of the condo and the contingencies were lifted as a sign of good faith. A little risky on both of our parts, but in your case I would definitely NOT do it.
 
I know this is like beating a dead horse, but if your agent is truly working for your interest, I don't know if he/she even have to pass this "opportunity" down to you to decide. Maybe your agent is one of those hand-off types?
 
Once we discussed the seller's counteroffer with our agent, he explicitly recommended that we remove this condition in our counter. The best he can do is recommend - he can't decide for us :)



We just wanted to ask the general forum here for our own education and to see if this particular "condition" had come up before and what the positives/negatives were.



Thanks for the help.
 
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