Congratulations to the Developers

[Joe Irvine]

You guys ran (funded) a fantastic campaign.  You really brought mud-slinging (real and fabricated) to a whole new level here in Irvine.  Now, hurry up and get back to work; there are massive apartment buildings, thousands of houses and a sports complex...errrr...I mean, "Great Park" to build.  Oh, and to those in the Council, make sure you've got your ink pads well filled; the rubber stamp production line awaits (and try not to injure yourselves during the repetitive motion).

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Joe...I know that you are anti-Choi but I think you're overreacting just a little. 

Developers (like TIC) have always had a strong influence over the city of Irvine.  Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing what Choi and his supporters have planned.  Like the national Republicans, they won basically on attacking the incumbents and Democrats.  Now, it's time to put up.

 

[test]

Yay!  Rather than waste taxpayer money have the developers spend their own money to build what they want on their own private property.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Yay!  Rather than waste taxpayer money have the developers spend their own money to build what they want on their own private property.

I don't think that's the debate.  The issue are zoning and the number of housing units.  As bad as Agran is, him identifying growth/expansion as an issue is right on. 

 

[Bullsback]

Yay!  Rather than waste taxpayer money have the developers spend their own money to build what they want on their own private property.

I don't think that's the debate.  The issue are zoning and the number of housing units.  As bad as Agran is, him identifying growth/expansion as an issue is right on.

Wasn't Agran involved in the council while all of the development happened in the first place (on top of great park disaster spearheaded by him)?  Pretty sure he was. The anti growth piece was his last ditch effort to try and save his political future. Also, pretty sure disaster at the great park ended up backing the current regime into a pretty tight corner where they needed a lot of help from developers to get out of the mess that Agran created in the first place. 

 

[iacrenter]

Part one of justice has been served to Agran yesterday. Part two will come after the GP audit is completed and hopefully a grand jury vote.

 

[Arman]

I wonder how long before the Larry Agran-funded "Irvine Community News and Views" disappears. Will it just stop or will they send a farewell notice/issue?

 

[paperboyNC]

I wonder how long before the Larry Agran-funded "Irvine Community News and Views" disappears. Will it just stop or will they send a farewell notice/issue?

It will just disappear like magic.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Yay!  Rather than waste taxpayer money have the developers spend their own money to build what they want on their own private property.

I don't think that's the debate.  The issue are zoning and the number of housing units.  As bad as Agran is, him identifying growth/expansion as an issue is right on.

Wasn't Agran involved in the council while all of the development happened in the first place (on top of great park disaster spearheaded by him)?  Pretty sure he was. The anti growth piece was his last ditch effort to try and save his political future. Also, pretty sure disaster at the great park ended up backing the current regime into a pretty tight corner where they needed a lot of help from developers to get out of the mess that Agran created in the first place.

He had approved a GP development that was mostly park/recreation with 5,000 units.  Choi came aboard and his supporters reduced the park/recreational aspect of GP and added another 4,600 residential units. 

The tight spot is really the state pulling money out of the local redevelopment zone. 
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-irvine-approves-great-park-plan-20131127-story.html

 

[Bullsback]

Yay!  Rather than waste taxpayer money have the developers spend their own money to build what they want on their own private property.

I don't think that's the debate.  The issue are zoning and the number of housing units.  As bad as Agran is, him identifying growth/expansion as an issue is right on.

Wasn't Agran involved in the council while all of the development happened in the first place (on top of great park disaster spearheaded by him)?  Pretty sure he was. The anti growth piece was his last ditch effort to try and save his political future. Also, pretty sure disaster at the great park ended up backing the current regime into a pretty tight corner where they needed a lot of help from developers to get out of the mess that Agran created in the first place.

He had approved a GP development that was mostly park/recreation with 5,000 units.  Choi came aboard and his supporters reduced the park/recreational aspect of GP and added another 4,600 residential units. 

The tight spot is really the state pulling money out of the local redevelopment zone. 
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-irvine-approves-great-park-plan-20131127-story.html

I was talking more macro then the great park. I was talking about the IAC developments all over the place that have been approved and built (Spectrum area, etc). What about the density of stonegate, woodbury, etc.  It all went on during his tenure as well.

I can differentiate what happened in GP but the current group had to expand because they were pressured and you could talk about the state pulling out but at the same time, I can't ignore $200M being inappropriately spent either. Had it been properly spent, the current group isn't backed into a corner needing to pull out all of the stops with the developers.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Yay!  Rather than waste taxpayer money have the developers spend their own money to build what they want on their own private property.

I don't think that's the debate.  The issue are zoning and the number of housing units.  As bad as Agran is, him identifying growth/expansion as an issue is right on.

Wasn't Agran involved in the council while all of the development happened in the first place (on top of great park disaster spearheaded by him)?  Pretty sure he was. The anti growth piece was his last ditch effort to try and save his political future. Also, pretty sure disaster at the great park ended up backing the current regime into a pretty tight corner where they needed a lot of help from developers to get out of the mess that Agran created in the first place.

He had approved a GP development that was mostly park/recreation with 5,000 units.  Choi came aboard and his supporters reduced the park/recreational aspect of GP and added another 4,600 residential units. 

The tight spot is really the state pulling money out of the local redevelopment zone. 
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-irvine-approves-great-park-plan-20131127-story.html

I was talking more macro then the great park. I was talking about the IAC developments all over the place that have been approved and built (Spectrum area, etc). What about the density of stonegate, woodbury, etc.  It all went on during his tenure as well.

I can differentiate what happened in GP but the current group had to expand because they were pressured and you could talk about the state pulling out but at the same time, I can't ignore $200M being inappropriately spent either. Had it been properly spent, the current group isn't backed into a corner needing to pull out all of the stops with the developers.

I wasn't really debating the merit of Agran versus Choi...more as to the debate of whether growth or slowing of growth.  I have stated previously that there are no "right" answers as there is no right or wrong answers.  But it is a key issue that Irvine is facing right now.

Agran was on paper to slow down growth while Choi is pro-growth. 

 

[Joe Irvine]

Yeah, this is not an Agran Vs. Choi thing at all.  Personally, I don't particularly care for either.  But I certainly got the sense that the slow growth team was actually paying attention to community with regard to overbuilding.  If the general Irvine voter, who is already fed-up with Irvine's rapid growth and traffic, had any clue as to how much the developers were dumping into the Choi/Lalloway campaign and had the sense to connect the dots, the voting results would be quite different.

Ahhh yes, I love the sound of beeping cement trucks and roofing nail guns in the morning.  And don't get me started on how wonderful the smell of car exhaust is the morning (day and night, for that matter).  BRING ON MORE TRAFFIC!!!!  YA!!!!!

You know, I was looking out into my backyard this morning and I'm pretty sure I could squeeze a four unit apartment building back there.  Well, if you can't beat them...

 

[jmoney74]

I WAS HERE FIRST.. SO I CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT BUILDING MORE HOMES!!!

ugh.. get over it.

 

[Joe Irvine]

I WAS HERE FIRST.. SO I CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT BUILDING MORE HOMES!!!

ugh.. get over it.

jmoney74-
Did your hair get messed-up when "the whole point" breezed over the top of your head? 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I WAS HERE FIRST.. SO I CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT BUILDING MORE HOMES!!!

ugh.. get over it.

That's seems a little unfair.  When you got may have affect on how you view growth and development but I think there is legitimate concern of oversaturation.  On a day-to-day basis, you have more traffic and people.  Macrowise, you have a reduction in natural space and increase density. 

There is a line there...and it's different for everyone.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

Agran's slow growth strategy:

Develop more space for the dead than for the living

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Yeah, this is not an Agran Vs. Choi thing at all.  Personally, I don't particularly care for either.  But I certainly got the sense that the slow growth team was actually paying attention to community with regard to overbuilding.  If the general Irvine voter, who is already fed-up with Irvine's rapid growth and traffic, had any clue as to how much the developers were dumping into the Choi/Lalloway campaign and had the sense to connect the dots, the voting results would be quite different.

Ahhh yes, I love the sound of beeping cement trucks and roofing nail guns in the morning.  And don't get me started on how wonderful the smell of car exhaust is the morning (day and night, for that matter).  BRING ON MORE TRAFFIC!!!!  YA!!!!!


You know, I was looking out into my backyard this morning and I'm pretty sure I could squeeze a four unit apartment building back there.  Well, if you can't beat them...

I don't like the rapid growth, but the bottom line for that is supply and demand. We're already seeing builders having to give concessions and standing inventory building up. Supply is coming from surrounding communities as well (Baker Ranch, Tustin Legacy) which will only increase supply and interest rates are rising which will reduce the demand side.

Ultimately THAT will slow growth, no matter who was elected.

Who knows......... maybe the new school board will have to close another school that your kids go to for reduced attendance. Then you'll have something else to really complain about.

 

[Joe Irvine]

Who knows......... maybe the new school board will have to close another school that your kids go to for reduced attendance. Then you'll have something else to really complain about.

Nah, my guys are done and have moved on. 

What I find super interesting is NOBODY...I mean NOBODY from the Choi/Lalloway camp answered any questions relative to campaign funding.  I see rapid growth, increased traffic, school crowding and small business shut-downs as rising issues in this city.  Yet all I've heard from the team Choi/Lalloway is the splatting of mud flung by them.

I wonder how hard it would be to drain the Woodbridge Lakes and pour concrete?  I bet we could squeeze a few thousand apartments there.  I may suggest that to Choi. 

 

 

[eyephone]

Is someone sour?

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Who knows......... maybe the new school board will have to close another school that your kids go to for reduced attendance. Then you'll have something else to really complain about.

Nah, my guys are done and have moved on. 

What I find super interesting is NOBODY...I mean NOBODY from the Choi/Lalloway camp answered any questions relative to campaign funding.  I see rapid growth, increased traffic, school crowding and small business shut-downs as rising issues in this city.  Yet all I've heard from the team Choi/Lalloway is the splatting of mud flung by them.

I wonder how hard it would be to drain the Woodbridge Lakes and pour concrete?  I bet we could squeeze a few thousand apartments there.  I may suggest that to Choi. 

Your kids have moved on but you don't seem to have moved on yourself.

I'm surprised you don't know why the lakes are there.

Nothing can be built on them because of the water table, so no apartments will be built on them.