irvinehomeowner
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Oh so that makes J6 pardons okay? You sound as ridiculous as Musk.
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“No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment.”
Republican lawmakers, including Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH) and James Comer (R-KY), have already signaled their intent to investigate the Biden-Harris administration.
With Biden’s pardons in place, figures like Cheney and Fauci could be subpoenaed to testify before Congress.
Cheney may face questions regarding her role on the January 6 committee, including allegations of suppressing evidence or pressuring witnesses.
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So not really a check mate.
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Feel bad for that cop who got tasered (who said no weapons were present?) and the guy who pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 12 years is now free.
Have you seen the level of violence many of these people had wrought on Jan 6? Some of them would have ended up in jail for some other crime anyways.
Almost everyone agrees that the violent offenders should not have been pardoned (including Fox News).
Where are the other supporters on TI for this? What are the beneficial reasons to support this other than "He said he would"?
morekaos
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to use woke terminology, equitable would be a better descriptive
Opinion | You can be sure Trump will follow Biden’s pre-emptive pardons precedent
As bad as the prospect of Trump’s pursuing revenge prosecutions is, the idea of Biden’s pardoning the innocent is potentially worse.
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Legacy Media Was Appalled by the Concept of Preemptive Pardons . . . Back in 2020
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morekaos
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IB are you a lawyer…very insightful comment….time to pay!!!
Legal Expert Throws Cold Water over Biden’s Preemptive Pardons, Warns They Don’t Offer Full Protection
“The pardons are actually great news.“No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment.”
Republican lawmakers, including Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH) and James Comer (R-KY), have already signaled their intent to investigate the Biden-Harris administration.
With Biden’s pardons in place, figures like Cheney and Fauci could be subpoenaed to testify before Congress.
Cheney may face questions regarding her role on the January 6 committee, including allegations of suppressing evidence or pressuring witnesses.
Legal Expert Throws Cold Water over Biden's Preemptive Pardons, Warns They Don't Offer Full Protection - Slay News
A top legal expert has just delivered some devasting news to those who thought they had escaped justice after being issued preemptive pardons from former President Joe Biden in the dying moments of his presidency.
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irvinehomeowner
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Can't wait to visit the Gulf of America!
momopi
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Reagan was a superb orator. When he spoke, he was like a grandfather speaking to you and commanding respect.
Trump, uh...
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us..."
Trump, uh...
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us..."
irvinehomeowner
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Getting criticism from both sides for the J6 pardons... including the police union that supported him.By doing that Brandon cleared the decks for Trump to Pardon ALL the J6 people…stepped right in it and made that all the easier….check mate.
So not really a check mate.
morekaos
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People are not taking into account the full scope of Brandons pardonpolluza….
Sorry, Biden's Pardons Are Much Worse Than Trump's
Biden granted pardons and commutations to more than 8,000 individuals, which is more than any other modern president. Thousands of Biden's clemency grants were to serious criminals, including murderers, child killers, child abusers, and the biggest municipal embezzler in history, Rita Crundwell. Several of the grants benefitted well-connected Democrats. In both 2022 and 2024, Biden abused his pardon power to achieve mass sentencing reductions that Congress refused to pass by law. President Obama did the same thing when he issued mass commutations of drug sentences.
Second, it's obviously not principle but politics that drove Biden's pardons; Biden's post-election mass death row commutations did not follow his self-proclaimed opposition to the death penalty. He left three men on death row whose commutations would have politically harmed Democrats. He did not commute the sentences of Dzhokar Tsarnaev (Boston Marathon bomber), Dylann Roof (murderer of nine black churchgoers in Charleston), and Robert Bowers (murderer of 11 worshippers a synagogue in Squirrel Hill, PA). Biden's alleged opposition to the death penalty also did not prevent DOJ from filing capital murder charges against Luigi Mangione.
Third, President Biden needs to pardon his family, officials, and allies only because he fears the very lawfare that he invented. Biden's DOJ broke more than two centuries of history to prosecute a former president and the candidate of the major opposition political party. He is like an arsonist who demands more spending on fire departments. Because of his stated fear of retaliation, Biden pardoned his family and associates before prosecutors ever launched investigations. These pardons were to Biden's own benefit, as their reciipients are much less likely to disclose any information that directly implicate President Biden to the family's alleged "pay to play, 10 percent for the Big Guy" schemes.
Contrast that with Trump's clemency, which did not directly benefit him or his family, and covered defendants who were actually convicted or charged, unlike Biden's preemptive pardons that covered up to 10 years' worth of potential and actual criminal activity for his family and allies.
https://www.newsweek.com/sorry-bidens-pardons-are-much-worse-trumps-opinion-2018843
Sorry, Biden's Pardons Are Much Worse Than Trump's
Biden granted pardons and commutations to more than 8,000 individuals, which is more than any other modern president. Thousands of Biden's clemency grants were to serious criminals, including murderers, child killers, child abusers, and the biggest municipal embezzler in history, Rita Crundwell. Several of the grants benefitted well-connected Democrats. In both 2022 and 2024, Biden abused his pardon power to achieve mass sentencing reductions that Congress refused to pass by law. President Obama did the same thing when he issued mass commutations of drug sentences.
Second, it's obviously not principle but politics that drove Biden's pardons; Biden's post-election mass death row commutations did not follow his self-proclaimed opposition to the death penalty. He left three men on death row whose commutations would have politically harmed Democrats. He did not commute the sentences of Dzhokar Tsarnaev (Boston Marathon bomber), Dylann Roof (murderer of nine black churchgoers in Charleston), and Robert Bowers (murderer of 11 worshippers a synagogue in Squirrel Hill, PA). Biden's alleged opposition to the death penalty also did not prevent DOJ from filing capital murder charges against Luigi Mangione.
Third, President Biden needs to pardon his family, officials, and allies only because he fears the very lawfare that he invented. Biden's DOJ broke more than two centuries of history to prosecute a former president and the candidate of the major opposition political party. He is like an arsonist who demands more spending on fire departments. Because of his stated fear of retaliation, Biden pardoned his family and associates before prosecutors ever launched investigations. These pardons were to Biden's own benefit, as their reciipients are much less likely to disclose any information that directly implicate President Biden to the family's alleged "pay to play, 10 percent for the Big Guy" schemes.
Contrast that with Trump's clemency, which did not directly benefit him or his family, and covered defendants who were actually convicted or charged, unlike Biden's preemptive pardons that covered up to 10 years' worth of potential and actual criminal activity for his family and allies.
https://www.newsweek.com/sorry-bidens-pardons-are-much-worse-trumps-opinion-2018843
irvinehomeowner
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Even Vance didn't like everything on the menu:promises made promises kept!
Vance says Jan. 6 participants who committed violence 'obviously' shouldn't be pardoned
Vice President-elect JD Vance says people responsible for the violence during the Capitol riot “obviously” should not be pardoned.
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Feel bad for that cop who got tasered (who said no weapons were present?) and the guy who pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 12 years is now free.
irvinehomeowner
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Why you are surprised at the reactions is what is questionable.
Have you seen the level of violence many of these people had wrought on Jan 6? Some of them would have ended up in jail for some other crime anyways.
Almost everyone agrees that the violent offenders should not have been pardoned (including Fox News).
Where are the other supporters on TI for this? What are the beneficial reasons to support this other than "He said he would"?