Pacific Palisades wildfire in Los Angeles

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sgip said:
All we need to do is stop aid to Ukraine. Itf there is money for them, then let's spend it here instead.

Remember, anyone who says "The State of California can get it done" ask that person how their ride was on our SF to LA High Speed Rail....?

BTW, that popping noise you now may be hearing is just the sound of chicken hawks and liberals cranial detonations.
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To stop aid to Ukraine you'll be taking money away from Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Northrup, etc.
Is your lobby big enough?
 
It’s never “different” this time or “unprecedented”…just the same thing over and over but its governments fault for not remembering and taking concrete action to protect its constituents…Throw the bums out!!!👎🏽😡😡🦄🌈

In 1978, just after Didion had sold her Malibu house but had yet to move out, a brush fire in the San Fernando Valley, spread by the Santa Ana, carried the fire over 25,000 acres and thirteen miles to the coast. Aided by 100 mile-per-hour winds, the wildfire jumped the Pacific Coast Highway. Temperatures reached 2500 degrees Fahrenheit. "Horses caught fire and were shot on the beach, birds exploded in the air," Didion recounted. "Houses did not explode but imploded as in a nuclear strike."5 In the end, the 1978 fire scorched 25,000 acres, destroyed 230 homes, and claimed two lives. This year marks the 35 years since of the Agoura-Malibu Firestorm of 1978, and twenty since the devastating 1993 Malibu conflagration. Moreover, in the wake of Arizona's recent wildfire tragedy in which 19 skilled wilderness firefighters lost their lives, Malibu's history, as noted by Davis, reminds us of the dangers not only for homeowners and residents, but for those battling the recurring flames.

Spitting Hot Fire: Malibu Wildfires and the Santa Anas | History & Society | PBS SoCalIMG_4397.jpeg
 
our government is clearly not panicked. They had plenty of time to prepare for this and lots of past incidents to know this was coming….throw the bums out!!👎🏽😡🦄🌈
 
zubs said:
To stop aid to Ukraine you'll be taking money away from Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Northrup, etc.
Is your lobby big enough?
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They will pivot towards the coming PRC invasion of Taiwan, where money is to be had.
 
I notice many of the same people who argue that nothing more could be done to stop the current fires (i.e. better water preparation, better brush management, better fire personnel preparation, better resource management, better focus on basic government promises instead of political signaling and agenda based policy, etc) are the same people who argued absolutely everything must be done to stop the you know what, including shutting down schools, destroying small businesses, locking people in their homes, mandating injections & masks, and still to this day lament that more was not done.

It's fascinating to see these people react so differently to devastation with no attempt to reconcile the stark contrast in their shrugging of the shoulders with this one vs their stop it at all costs screams with the other one. I suspect they continue to download their cues from manipulative deceivers while mistaking the download for their own genuine thoughts and reasoning.
 
SQIP,

I am so glad that I listened to you. Flew into and out of John Wayne. I don't I will ever fly into LAX again in my lifetime.
sgip said:
Bad.

Do you have to fly into LAX? If not, Long Beach or JWA would be smarter. Also, Burbank is definitely out and Ontario is probably too far away.
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someguy said:
I notice many of the same people who argue that nothing more could be done to stop the current fires (i.e. better water preparation, better brush management, better fire personnel preparation, better resource management, better focus on basic government promises instead of political signaling and agenda based policy, etc) are the same people who argued absolutely everything must be done to stop the you know what, including shutting down schools, destroying small businesses, locking people in their homes, mandating injections & masks, and still to this day lament that more was not done.

It's fascinating to see these people react so differently to devastation with no attempt to reconcile the stark contrast in their shrugging of the shoulders with this one vs their stop it at all costs screams with the other one. I suspect they continue to download their cues from manipulative deceivers while mistaking the download for their own genuine thoughts and reasoning.
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Depends on where you are getting your perspective from.

How do you stop an arsonist? A terrorist? A lab worker who accidentally leaks a virus?

There are so many variables that it's difficult to perfectly predict and plan for any of these things. Most of the time it's reactive and that's sometimes the only way.

And then you forget to mention those people who say we overprepare or panic... where is the balance?

And why does everything have to be politicized? But again... that seems to be the only way people can deal with this stuff.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Depends on where you are getting your perspective from.

How do you stop an arsonist? A terrorist? A lab worker who accidentally leaks a virus?

There are so many variables that it's difficult to perfectly predict and plan for any of these things. Most of the time it's reactive and that's sometimes the only way.

And then you forget to mention those people who say we overprepare or panic... where is the balance?

And why does everything have to be politicized? But again... that seems to be the only way people can deal with this stuff.
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We knew a few days in advance that extreme and dangerous winds were coming. It was far too late to prepare in some ways, but there was certainly preparation that could have been done.

The Santa Inez reservoir, which would have been extremely useful for the palisades fire, has been empty since February 2024, apparently because the cover tore. Why was that not fixed and filled after 10 months? Incompetence.

We have resources to clear brush in high fire danger zones, and doing so could have mitigated the damage (maybe even made some properties insurable again!) But current CA ethos is let nature be nature instead of trying to protect people and property.

More could have been done well in advance, and perhaps there was some that could have been done with a few days of notice.

Contrast this with what the State is focused on.

High speed rail? Does anyone actually want to spend $150B on a high speed rail from Bakersfield to Merced 20 years in and with a few miles of track to show for it?

Homelessness? CA spent $24B on homelessness in the last 5 years and the problem is worse than ever.

Crime? It took a proposition to make shoplifting illegal again.

Education? We're around 23rd in the nation despite having by far the most resources of any state.

The politicians and their appointees just suck, plain and simple.

People with the means are fleeing CA and so are businesses. They no longer perceive the pros of CA to be enough to outweigh the cons of poor policy. And this unmitigated disaster of a fire is exactly what happens with poor policy.

The questions we should be asking are "how did we get here, who should be held responsible, what can we learn from this, how can we do better" Then develop a plan and make it happen.
 
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someguy said:
We knew a few days in advance that extreme and dangerous winds were coming. It was far too late to prepare in some ways, but there was certainly preparation that could have been done.

The Santa Inez reservoir, which would have been extremely useful for the palisades fire, has been empty since February 2024, apparently because the cover tore. Why was that not fixed and filled after 10 months? Incompetence.

We have resources to clear brush in high fire danger zones, and doing so could have mitigated the damage (maybe even made some properties insurable again!) But current CA ethos is let nature be nature instead of trying to protect people and property.

More could have been done well in advance, and perhaps there was some that could have been done with a few days of notice.

Contrast this with what the State is focused on.

High speed rail? Does anyone actually want to spend $150B on a high speed rail from Bakersfield to Merced 20 years in and with a few miles of track to show for it?

Homelessness? CA spent $24B on homelessness in the last 5 years and the problem is worse than ever.

Crime? It took a proposition to make shoplifting illegal again.

Education? We're around 23rd in the nation despite having by far the most resources of any state.

The politicians and their appointees just suck, plain and simple.

People with the means are fleeing CA and so are businesses. They no longer perceive the pros of CA to be enough to outweigh the cons of poor policy. And this unmitigated disaster of a fire is exactly what happens with poor policy.

The questions we should be asking are "how did we get here, who should be held responsible, what can we learn from this, how can we do better" Then develop a plan and make it happen.
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This has been decades in the making and once u peel the onion further and realize there is a super majority from one party with rank choice voting at every level of California government and a tax and spend system based on mega wealthy paying the majority of the taxes and those who are beneficiaries of lots of government spending with majority votes you will come to the very sad conclusion that the state will not get better because one party will always be in charge.

Follow the money. Homelessness is big business and lots of money being made "helping" the homeless (who btw in July 2021 Newsom welcomed with open arms): https://www.forumdaily.com/en/nyuso...-vsego-mira-v-kaliforniyu-chto-on-predlagaet/

Of course NOW that Newsom will term out in 2026 and has aspirations of running for President, he's trying to clean the state up. Please, please, please contain Newsom to the state of California. The rest of the country cannot end up like California. There won't be anywhere else to run.
 
I don't think anyone handles disasters well, regardless of politics. That's why it's called a disaster.

There are always things that can be done better. This is why there is the "panic" that morekaos frowns upon because you never know how bad it will get until it does.

Before this happened, I was going to post about how drought conditions and the upcoming high winds could cause issues but morekaos would have counter posted that this has happened before and it will be a non-event so I didn't bother. Not like my post would have changed anything just like all these analysis posts about what went wrong after the fact.

Yes, it's tragic, yes there are things that could have avoided some of this... but that happens no matter who is in charge. It's called human error.
 
The point of me posting the cyclicality of these events is to show that they’re wholy predictable. How our elected leaders handle these disasters, when knowing full well they occur consistently, tells us a lot about their priorities. You really think spending $24 billion on the homeless or illegal aliens while cutting the budget of the fire department and not prioritizing water resources was a good call.?🤦🏽‍♂️👎🏽🦄🌈
 
Too general in the finger pointing? How about this little tid-bit of prioritization that likely had a direct impact on these fires…🤦🏽‍♂️👎🏽🦄🌈😡

California: 2019 fire safety program was halted to save a random herb in the pea family…

This is just how bad Democrat mismanagement is in California.
In 2019 Democrats HALTED a fire safety project in Pacific Palisades to replace wooden electric poles with steel ones, and the installation of wind and fire-resistant power lines.
Why? Because an “amateur botanist” complained that utility workers were trampling too many Braunton’s Milkvetch, a perennial herb in the pea family.

The plants the botanist was concerned about were destroyed by the recent wildfires anyway.

So yes, despite what the propagandists tell you, the extent of the damage was avoidable.

Los Angeles bulldozed endangered plants at Topanga State Park - Los Angeles Times
 
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