Did the UC Admissions make the right decision to drop the SAT Requirement? Should other top public universities like UMichigan, UVA, UNC, & GT follow?

panda said:
This is what a consider a Creative Asian Kid. Ethan Kim grew up in South Carolina and got wait listed from Harvard. He created this video, but later got rejected from Harvard. Harvard made a big mistake not letting this kid in. The people I knew who went to Harvard back when I was in High School don't seem be to doing anything great with their lives working a dead end W2 job that they hate.

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Hmmm. Seems like every Asian kid thinks they can follow some formula, tutor their life away, kumon, sat prep, a sport, some fake interest in art, and toss in a violin…it’s too common now. Nothing special about it. He should have lead with the video, show he has always been unique not just the cookie cutter white Tesla of a kid in Irvine. The Asian kids in Irvine are far too timid to make a creative splash let alone a scene. Their parents would lock them in the house.
 
panda said:
How do all the other Parents in Irvine feel about UC Admissions removing the SATs requirements since 2020? Should all the other top public universities follow UC Admissions lead in getting rid of the SATs?
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For the love of our children YES
 
Have you guys seen the Kumon logo? Is it a happy face? No, It is a drawing of unhappy face. Kumon is the modern day Prison for the little Asian kids today.
 
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panda said:
Have you guys seen the Kumon logo? Is it a happy face? No, It is a drawing of sad face. Kumon is the modern day Prison for the little Asian kids today.
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I think most Asian parents use Kumon to get their kids ahead in math, while white parents use it for remedial learning. I'm a white parent that uses it for remedial learning for my son. He had severe ADHD starting in Kindergarten that got a lot a better in the middle of third grade, but he effectively missed out on 3 1/2 years of academics because he couldn't focus.

After 16 months of doing Kumon, he has made huge strides and is getting closer to being caught up to grade level. Already his math skills are stronger than @Danimal's. The Kumon method involves a lot of repetitive "drill & kill" which probably feels like torture for a lot of kids, but I have to say it has been effective for my son.
 
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Liar Loan said:
I think most Asian parents use Kumon to get their kids ahead in math, while white parents use it for remedial learning. I'm a white parent that uses it for remedial learning for my son. He had severe ADHD starting in Kindergarten that got a lot a better in the middle of third grade, but he effectively missed out on 3 1/2 years of academics because he couldn't focus.

After 16 months of doing Kumon, he has made huge strides and is getting closer to being caught up to grade level. Already his math skills are stronger than @Danimal's.

The Kumon method involves a lot of repetitive "drill & kill" which probably feels like torture for a lot of kids, but I have to say it has been effective for my kid.
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Kumon for remedial makes sense to me but these kids going to get ahead? Get ahead of what exactly?
 
Thanks for sharing Liar Loan. Keep in mind, some great CEOs had ADHD like Bill Gates, Henry Ford, Bill Hewitt, Tommy Hillfiger, Charles Schwab, Walt Disney, Richard Branson, John T. Chambers, and I am sure that Steve Jobs was also an ADHD kid growing up. There is a bible verse where it says that the first will be last, and the last will be first. This will pertain to your ADHD son when he goes out to the real world.

You know what my best friend who went to Harvard told me? His son is currently a freshman at Harvard. He told me he can teach how to get a perfect score on the SATs, but he cannot teach him how to become an entrepeneur. LianLoan, this is something you can teach your child, that most of these Asian parents Irvine cannot.

Your son will graduate from UCLA and you will proud of your son. Have Faith and Believe.
 
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It's an interesting world where normal creatives can't get paid and normal financial sector people without any creativity can make bank.

But that's a hard thing for kids to figure out.

My parents were very hard on me... which is why I am sort of opposite with my kids.

But that drive also helped me in school and work... where with my kids... I would prefer they do what they like rather than what will earn them the most.

Then there is always the argument that if they get a high paying career, they can do what they love outside their job... or if their work is what they love, that is worth more than money.

Finding the balance in navigating all that is the best we can do as parents.
 
Liar Loan said:
I think most Asian parents use Kumon to get their kids ahead in math, while white parents use it for remedial learning. I'm a white parent that uses it for remedial learning for my son. He had severe ADHD starting in Kindergarten that got a lot a better in the middle of third grade, but he effectively missed out on 3 1/2 years of academics because he couldn't focus.

After 16 months of doing Kumon, he has made huge strides and is getting closer to being caught up to grade level. Already his math skills are stronger than @Danimal's. The Kumon method involves a lot of repetitive "drill & kill" which probably feels like torture for a lot of kids, but I have to say it has been effective for my son.
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I liked this post except for the stricken part.

So glad your son has reaped the benefits of Kumon. I sometimes see those programs as money grabs but good to hear it helps. I shouldn't talk, we paid quite a bit of money for art, music, dance, sports etc but want to give our kids every opportunity to better themselves (even if they don't like it :) ).
 
You know I like the younger version of Robert Kiyosaki, author of Rich Dad, but not so much the 70 year old version. There were a lot of good gold nuggets and wisdom in his earlier books. In his book Retire Young, Retire Rich, he wrote, "The best thing about retiring early and taking a year off in midlife was that it gave him a chance to start life over again," He was financially independent and retired at the age of 47 to focus on his Life Work (Grad School) at the age of 50.

I sort of see our life in three stages. 1) High School is our learning years where we make a lot of mistakes trying to figure out what works and doesn't 2) College is the Earning years, what we do for living, profession, career for providing for our family.

Unfortunately, most people never goto grad school. I look at Grad school as a Creative Endeavor (Self-Actualization) whether you are an author, designer, muscian, speaker, coach, teacher etc... You are becoming everything you were born to become.

You are not doing Grad School for the money, but for a mission, purpose, and passion. It is not about you, but the people you are called to serve. A Creative sustainable Business. There is no such thing as retirement for these type of people.
 
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panda said:
You know I like the younger version of Robert Kiyosaki, author of Rich Dad, but not so much the 70 year old version. There were a lot of good gold nuggets and wisdom in his earlier books. In his book Retire Young, Retire Rich, he wrote, "The best thing about retiring early and taking a year off in midlife was that it gave him a change to start life over again," He retired at age 47 to focus on his life work at the age of 50.

I sort of see our lifes in three stages. 1) High School is our learning years where we make a lot of mistakes trying to figure out what works and doesn't 2) College is the Earning years, what we do for living for providing for our family. Unfortunately, most people never goto grad school. I look at Grad school as a Creative Endeavor (Self-Actualization) whether you are an author, designer, or muscian. You are becoming everything you were born to become.

You are not doing Grad School for the money, but for a mission, purpose, and passion. It is not about you, but the people you are called to serve. A Creative sustainable Business. There is no such thing as retirement for these type of people.
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I look at all this time and money people put into themselves only work and create for someone else in exchange for money and a couple weeks off a year. They are making money off of you. When I was in the workforce I looked at that time as practical training for starting and owning my own business. Mission accomplished and now all my time is my own to do as I please. I didn’t want to work the rest of my life and i definitely don’t want my kids to.
 
Imnotmoving said:
For the love of our children YES
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How should they decide who to admit without any sort of standardized testing?

I actually wish these schools did not have a limit on how many can attend. But then the focus would be on learning as opposed to status/signaling… ugh
 
zovall said:
How should they decide who to admit without any sort of standardized testing?

I actually wish these schools did not have a limit on how many can attend. But then the focus would be on learning as opposed to status/signaling… ugh
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They have to limit the class sizes because of the staffing levels and actual physical space. How do you propose a university function with an unlimited number of students?
 
panda said:
Harvard made a big mistake not letting this kid in.
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The video is great and he is creative and talented! But I don’t think Harvard necessarily made a big mistake - they just had others they prioritized higher. Collectively, we need to stop caring so much about the brand but we do (as evidenced by the video and our discussion here). And as long as we do, this will continue
 
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They have to limit the class sizes because of the staffing levels and actual physical space. How do you propose a university function with an unlimited number of students?
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Just curious.. With UC admissions removing the SAT requirements since 2020, are they admitting student solely based on GPA, class rank, and extra curricular? Would love hear from Parents who have kids attending college next year.
 
brergnat said:
They have to limit the class sizes because of the staffing levels and actual physical space. How do you propose a university function with an unlimited number of students?
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Pre-internet, you just could not get a higher education without physically being at one of these institutions. Now, it has been possible for many years yet the institutions don’t want to give up their brand. If everyone could get a degree from Harvard, how special would it be?

Not all majors but many could be done completely remotely. Georgia Tech offers a Masters in Computer Science that can be done completely online. But it hasn’t been adopted much beyond that.
 
For IUSD high schools, are all the classes in person? Is there a virtual option for high school students where they can take certain classes in person and others online with a virtual teacher from IUSD?
 
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zovall said:
Pre-internet, you just could not get a higher education without physically being at one of these institutions. Now, it has been possible for many years yet the institutions don’t want to give up their brand. If everyone could get a degree from Harvard, how special would it be?

Not all majors but many could be done completely remotely. Georgia Tech offers a Masters in Computer Science that can be done completely online. But it hasn’t been adopted much beyond that.
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Even online instruction requires a real teacher which has to asses/grade every student. You can't just have a massive number of students, regardless of online instruction being a thing.
 
brergnat said:
Even online instruction requires a real teacher which has to asses/grade every student. You can't just have a massive number of students, regardless of online instruction being a thing.
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Georgia Tech did it by having many TAs and they’ve done it for 10 years now (with a relatively low cost) with an incredible increase in the number of CS Masters degrees awarded while also keeping their reputation/ranking strong.
 
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